We have extremely different perspectives
Rupert Murdoch's Skynews:
The protesters rallying for migration control on Sunday aren't knuckle-dragging racists, but normal people who think open borders is a bad thing – that's something that will shake the progressive activists to their core
In much of the media, the impulse has been to give less emphasis to the mass of people and try to shape the narrative around the rowdier reactionaries in the crowd and speakers with dubious ties and divisive platforms. While such elements deserve scrutiny, this doesn’t take into account, and even wilfully ignores several realities.
The Guardian:
Neo-Nazis used the shield of ‘ordinary mums and dads’ anti-immigration rallies to sell white supremacy
From online grievances about migration to men dressed in black in a sea of Australian flags, far-right groups clearly intended to capitalise on events
Politicians:
"There's always good people who turn up to demonstrate their views on particular issues, but what we have seen here is Neo-Nazis being given a platform," Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said.
"[These events were] attended by people of goodwill but hijacked by violent Neo-Nazis spouting hate and racism," said Opposition Leader Sussan Ley.
Sheesh here we go with the 1500 a day thing again, people like you ought to be banned from (mis)interpreting OAD and NOM datasets released by the ABS.
How do you think this is being misinterpreted?
First of all because the trend is downwards by about 90 thou, secondly because Net overseas migration was negative during COVID, so these large figures are a stastical anomaly in response to that.
People who claim the rate is the same now are using OAD data which includes same individuals taking multiple flights in/out of the country therefore it cannot be used to quantify NOM.
Lastly your perspective is that immigration is a net drain on our society, but in reality we would experience severe economic downturn by implementing isolation policies that cull immigration since we're a developed nation on a fucking island.
If you want someone to whinge at for housing affordability blame Howard for negative gearing and CGT concessions. Billions of dollars are pilfered out of the country by big corporations every year without a cent paid on tax, this money gets put into private funds that invest into our housing, artificially inflating its value by a system he helped create. I know this because I used to work in this system.
You are being robbed blind by these people and they're telling you to blame immigration for it. Wake up this country needs a fucking shake up.
NOM, as reported by the ABS, was 1500+ a day in 2023. In 2024 it was over 1200 a day. We’ve definitely had an increase this year, especially with stuffing electorates with labor-voting immigrants.
We don’t have NOM figures for this year, but we know that it is tightly aligned with OAD figures - and the 2 OAD figures are at an all time high for one, and the second highest on record for the other……so hmm do you think it’s possible that the NOM will be high?
Woah woah woah - where did you get that from? My position is that increasing demand while keeping supply the same in an already undersupplied market makes the situation worse. I have never said that immigration is a net drain on society lol.
Who is to blame for the current housing crisis is irrelevant in fixing it. Labor are doing nothing to fix it, while allowing it to get worse every single day by increasing demand. Labor are in power - they’re the only ones that can act NOW to try and fix it. That’s their job - or at least it’s supposed to be. No point crying about John Howard ffs lol
Again OAD data cannot be used to quantify NOM data. I'm telling you what the current issues are that are causing housing affordability to be obscene.
I agree Labor are doing fuck all about it, I'm livid at this current governments inaction on many issues but destroying the economy by killing immigration isn't going to solve anything, direct your anger where it's needed.
I am sorry you are unable to comprehend these things, asking for people to disagree with you then clearly ignoring their arguments is a pretty pathetic look, even on the internet.
OAD data can be used to predict NOM data, and if you go back and look at both numbers you’ll see a pretty direct, predictable relationship between them.
Take a look in the mirror mate.
Hahahahaha
Great reply, you definitely disproved the ABS’s own data.
Oh sorry, here's the statement from the ABS. I guess you would know that if you didn't cherry pick data to fit your narrative.
Okay it's time to leave me alone now dumb-dumb. Take care of yourself.
Did you even read it? The ABS statement doesn’t go against what I said.
OAD is not net overseas migration (NOM), correct. NOM figures for 2 years ago, however, were 1500 new immigrants per day. Last year it was 1220 per day. Since we don’t have the total NOM for this year we don’t know the latest per day figures, but outside of exceptional circumstances like Covid, the OAD and NOM are closely related since the NOM is a subset of the OAD.
Also did you notice that the ABS didn’t tell us what the current estimate of NOM is, or how many are coming in per day who are on visas that mean they will be staying? Did you stop to wonder why that is?
“It’s not 1500!” but refusing to give an actual number is pretty telling. It could be 1400 which is the same as 1500 for all that matters, and the ABS aren’t lying.
And after all of that, the main point is that even if it’s only 200 per day, that’s 200 more people every day who need to find a house to live in at a time when we’re in a severe housing available crisis! Do you not see how that keeps compounding the problem?