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China is BAD if only the silly easterners would listen to the very successful western ultras like myself they would actually be communist!
Oh my bad I thought this was the hexbear news com. /s
No, no you fucking tankie China should deploy the entire military to the middle-east and use their export economy to globally project their power across the world on Israel. /s
No, but seriously, as shitty as it sounds; I don't think China has a responsibility to do anything for Palestine, as grim and horrible as that sounds. They are not a part of the West, they have no colonial ties to Palestine from colonizer nations (meaning, you aren't from a ex-colonial nation or settler one, etc).
They had no hand in creation or even a historical role in their creation or a part to play if you don't entirely separate the CPC from the Dynasty periods (as you should). This doesn't mean they don't feel great sympathy, nor have solidarity with Palestine. They have done much for them despite being on the other half of the world.
"But they trade with Israel" is such a stupid fucking point when you consider how much of the world is financially and economically connected...especially when they're an export economy. I don't like XHS's posts sometimes but at least he has sense and reason behind the points that he makes.
Any extreme or hostile move trade-wise or economically on a erratic and already hostile United States that is your major import partner could jeopardize the balance and conditions of development that are quite good for China as of now. That is their main focus and has been compared to the very different history of it's historical past when it's dynasties used to either imperialize via tributaries or conquest. There's entire books written about reflections from then and now.
Good post and very succinct way to write this down! 👏
If I were Xi, I would simply press the full communism button. All that's covering it is this thing labeled "dialectical and historical materialism" but that can't be anything important.
Lol exactly. Theyre literally indistinguishable from fed reddit posters at this point.
Is it that bad over there these days?
Oh yeah https://hexbear.net/post/6233308/6530502 Its bad https://hexbear.net/post/6251000/6536572?sort=Top
I find it crazy that they will ban people for the most childish, petty, stupid shit. Yet will allow blatant wrecker ultras on there with zero pushback.
I've been on here long enough to remember when they refederated. It was going to be good because it's a pro-AES space. Whoops looks like that went out the window quickly!
It depends on the context of what is "childish, petty, stupid shit" but generally I have noticed some strange priorities and a bit of a persistent toxicity that seems to end up in fruitless struggle sessions. News thread is still great otherwise, but yeah, you aren't wrong in that I've noticed quite a shift on China recently.
jesus. I thought there was bad egg in the admin team like a year ago. Now it looks like a full blown trot/fed infestation.
What do dengist have to do with anything in this context?
I don't think it's correct to say China has done nothing in regards to Palestine. For example, there was the 2024 Beijing Declaration last year. To quote form said linked article
Outside of that, from reading those threads above, one of the comments someone mentioned how Hamas used a weapon from China like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-8#Gaza_Strip
Another thing to is it's more besides that, like the Zijiang M99
It's really doubtful it's the barret made M99. To add, from looking around there are two tweets, here and here showing the Zijang M99, and then there a news source talking about it's use here To add that news source mentions this
Only issue is I'm having trouble finding where that announcement was said? Either way It is clear that they are using weapons from China at the very least.
Do note, I do think China should stop trade with "Israel" but I want to address this. Mainly to go to trade with what China sells from "Israel" where "Israel" buys from China primarily consists of
Compared to the United States that
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/22/which-countries-trade-the-most-with-israel-and-what-do-they-buy-and-sell
Either way it's the United States that trades the most with "Israel" and props it up. Again, this isn't to say China should continuing trade, it would be nice if they didn't, but it would not change things too much even if China did stop trade. Since again, "Israel" is propped up by imperial core countries.
Either way it isn't correct to say China has done none nothing. It would be nice if China did more, sure I can agree with that. However ultimately, the responsibility lies with the people in the global north to do something against their governments to stop contributing to/participating in genocide. Since to go to the United States for example, how many genocides has the United States been involved since it's conception like against the various First Nations, to around the world like in Latin America? For the United States, genocide won't end just with Palestine, there will be more in the future if those in the United States don't decolonize and overthrow the U.S.
Also it is rather chauvinistic and idealistic to paint China as the world's savior as well, since China will not be the world savior not, and won't ever be. That just always been idealistic nonsense. To add, it is also chauvinistic to hold China responsible for the U.S-Israel genocide against Palestine. Why should China, and the world, mainly the global south at large, be held responsible for the horrible acts that the global north like the United States commits and not the global north and people within those countries held responsible for those acts instead?
Again that isn't to say China couldn't do more, they could, but the fault lies within the global north and for those within to do build and make revolution and to stop things like this.
GOOD post
Creating infrastructure throughout the Global South, selling weapons and other important goods to the resistance, bypassing US "sanctions" against Iran, etc. is "nothing"? It's entirely fair to criticize China for still trading with Israel but this is nonsense
Is this a joke?
Yeah I'm not reading all of that. China stays winning 🇨🇳 cope and seethe about it.
Heh. Gottem.