cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179
I got banded from ~~Hexbear~~ (I am dumb) a Hexbear community. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused...
This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030
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Nothing will change if you don't believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That's one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
reason: Wrecker.
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Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I'm not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it's really easy to do, it's way easier than other stuff that you're probably already doing. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Cuz I don't need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It's bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I'm sorry fighting is hard. I'm not asking you to be pro-democrat. I'm just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don't get doomer about this stuff. If you're not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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First of all, you're confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don't. I don't like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there's a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don't like this. But acting like there's absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:)
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If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I'm not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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I don't need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that's less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it's Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who's not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They're going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they're not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you're going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don't like the Democrats. I don't like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can't vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
reason: Wrecker.
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Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you're doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn't helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don't like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee
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It was probably the calling everyone psychos and FBI agents. But also your ‘both sides-ing’ a genocide.
How?
I said Israel worse than Hamas. Also Palestinians are being Genocided, not Hamas.
How? I’d say your comment here ^^^ is a prime example.
To be fair, Hamas is a right wing organization funded by the Israelis specifically to weaken Palestinian unity and the PLO (which is generally Left Wing). I'll never complain about someone fighting the IDF but these aren't paragons worthy of support.
So what your saying is, my position that Hamas isn't Palestinian, is wrong.
And when I hear of Palestinian babies getting killed or starved by the IDF. I should think those babies were members of Hamas. Hamas which is a militaristic religious organization.
Am I understanding that right?
Yes. Then maybe you will be able to see why your attitude is the problem.
Maybe respond to the second part of their comment because this answer is pretty confusing below what they wrote
Respond to them being ridiculous?
The US Federal government and Israel agrees.
I can only assume you are trolling.
I can only assume you’re a wrecker.
If your lemmy instance is supporting and enforcing pro genocidal rhetoric against the Palestinians, then morally, it deserves to be wrecked.
No we are saying you're an idiot for saying Hamas "aren't Palestinians"
Sorry, yes, some Palestinians are Hamas. Not all Palestinians are Hamas.
Edit: But my point still stands. If Israel just killed all of Hamas, the Palestinian death toll wouldn't be this large.
Israel is claiming all Palestinians are Hamas to justify killing them. Israel is lying and wants to Genocide Palestinians.
See here's the rub. You are trying to distinguish Hamas from Palestinians and what Israel calls hamas is a nebulous definition which is used to justify killing them as you say. But you trying to draw this distinction is actually a PROBLEM. We support Hamas and the PFLP and all other groups because their resistance is LEGITIMATE.
You are framing this as though if only they wanted to kill the "bad palestinians" it would be okay.
I see your point, but we need to get more specific.
Hamas is a religious militant organization. Hamas also commits acts of violence against Israeli citizens for political reasons. This makes them definitionally a terrorist organization. Now, the average person assumes is that terrorist are bad. I am not making any judgment or assumptions on that. Terrorism is just the act, not the morality behind the act. Given the circumstances it is reasonable for a Palestinian to join Hamas. I also think it is reasonable for Palestinians to put members of Hamas in charge as no other government leadership has improved the situation with Israel. I believe Israel has been genociding Palestinians for a long time, even before this October 7th thing.
Ok, so, if you are a state and you get attacked by a terrorist organization. I think it is unreasonable to expect any state not to defend itself and it's citizens. Even a horrible fascist genocidal state like Israel. Imagine a communist or socialist state getting hit by pro capitalist terrorist. Destroying the terrorist organization seems like a reasonable response and if that destruction results in members getting killed, well, they signed up for that.
And that is my argument for Hamas Palestinians. They may have been doing the morally correct thing. But as soon as you join a group like Hamas, your kind of signing up for whatever happens. It's kind of like joining the military. You are at risk of dying by defending or attacking. It feels bad, but that is the world as it is.
So its not that Hamas Palestinians are "bad" its that they signed up, and they knew what they signed up for. When Hamas was planning the October 7th thing. They knew Israel would strike back at them. I don't think they expected what Israel did in response, otherwise I don't think they would have done it.
Now my moral judgment against Hamas is that they are a religious extremist organization and if given power, they would enforce that ideology. Also, it would also be nice if there actions were a little less brutal, but hey, I am not in Gaza.
The difference is pretty big. Israel is soo bad and evil, they are making their enemies who are not good, look good by comparison. It's insane.
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