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cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179

I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused...

This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030

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Nothing will change if you don't believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That's one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I'm not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it's really easy to do, it's way easier than other stuff that you're probably already doing. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Cuz I don't need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It's bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I'm sorry fighting is hard. I'm not asking you to be pro-democrat. I'm just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don't get doomer about this stuff. If you're not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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First of all, you're confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don't. I don't like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there's a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don't like this. But acting like there's absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

mod Banned deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:)

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If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I'm not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I don't need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that's less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it's Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who's not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They're going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they're not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you're going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don't like the Democrats. I don't like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can't vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you're doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn't helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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reason: Wrecker.

expires: 2 years ago

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Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don't like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: No.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is that, on the left, the question of reformism vs revolution was settled centuries ago. Revolution is correct, and reformism has failed every single time, because moving onto socialism requires fubdamentally destroying the former state apparatus and replacing it with a socialist one. A capitalist state is designed specifically for capitalism, and as such trying to go the "lawful" route will go the same way as Allende, couped after 2 years of hard work and dedication.

In Hexbear, this constitutes wrecker behavior. By deliberately antagonizing the correct line and picking arguments that have already been fully settled and only affirmed more by history, you're doing little to add, only detract. You could have asked why the left rejects electoralism, but instead you chose to get into petty squabbles and were banned for it.

YDI.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

I don't think electoralism means what you think it means.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

I'd rather not :) have a good day.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 33 minutes ago

Fair enough, you too.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for the explanation of wrecker.

As for the reformist versus revolution question. Your rhetoric indicates that it's a solved problem. I find that really hard to believe.

How was it solved? How can we be sure there isn't a set of material conditions that would allow for reformism to work?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

I tried to give a brief overview, essentially a capitalist state cannot work against what it's been designed and evolved over time specifically to support as its foundation. That's the short answer, but if you want to actually see the developed arguments and refutations of the reformist position, I recommend reading Reform or Revolution? by Rosa Luxemburg, The State and Revolution by Lenin. Those both hold up, but what's more important is that they have been verified by historic experience. Allende tried to take the lawful route and was couped after 2 years by Pinochet. Bolivia is in crisis because of adhering to constitutionalism. The capitalist state must be replaced with a socialist one, you can't take power and try to mold it around socialism.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 4 hours ago

What does YDM mean?

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I got bann~~d~~ed from Hexbear.

Thats wrong because I can still see you posting. That said, we can easily remedy that since you enjoy fedjacketing communists while being a liberal doormat.

to use the fun acronyms of this comm, YDI, and YDM.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 4 hours ago

Nope, still banned, also I am not a liberal.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

You know what's a simpler term for "fascist enabler?"

Liberal.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

uh-huh

so why aren't liberals supportive of Russia?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Supporting and enabling are two different things, Clyde.

Did you see Joe Biden "supporting" Trump, by any chance?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

so liberals are enabling russia?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Lol!

I guess you don't know Putin's history, do you?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Okay... we'll play "Guess The Liberal!"

For ten points, name Vladimir Putin's main political benefactor?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

can you just tell me instead of trolling?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You're telling me you don't know this basic history?

What a shitty contestant.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

it isn't a good image on you if you're unable to explain your point

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[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

It was probably the calling everyone psychos and FBI agents. But also your ‘both sides-ing’ a genocide.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 1 points 5 hours ago
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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Technically a "Wrecker" is someone who goes into communities to "wreck" them in some way. Alienate people from each other, disrupt cohesion and so on. Unfortunately hexbears tend to stretch that meaning in order to ban people who say things they don't like. For example they've labeled myself as a "wrecker" because I reject "leftist unity" (i.e. unity between marxist-leninists and anarchists). Don't take it too seriously, they just wanted to ban you from their comms, and that was the only excuse they could find because they don't like pro-electoral politic arguments.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 6 points 7 hours ago

Anarchists: Workers don't control the means of production if the government does

MLs: Ban Hammer

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago

so basically a firehose of falesehood situation.

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Nothing will change if you don't believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That's one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @negativenull@lemm.ee

Individual votes have no value. It was Biden and Kamala's fault for not campaigning on good policies. Hexbear's (or leftist) stance on whether or not to vote for him doesn't change this.

Also, Biden is directly responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousands of people by aiding Israel, and Democrats are responsible for many more domestic deaths by the way of social murder especially considering they had majority control for some time. That Trump may kill more doesn't change this fact.

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Brah, these are some bored teenagers roleplaying as communists online. Case in point: no one up comes with random BS like "wrecker" IRL.

The ones who are not teenagers are demagogues who are shitposting.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago

In Anarchist circles, there are some people who worry about theory and there are some people who worry about keeping the community pantry stocked. The Communists I see online tend to devote most of their attention to theory.

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