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EU Chat Control didnt pass - proving the media got to alot of you (www.patrick-breyer.de)
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Chat Control didnt pass - they didnt even vote because they were afraid the result would be embarassing.

And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.

EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.

But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.

I quoted the article here with the news:

In a major breakthrough for the digital rights movement, the German government has refused to back the EU’s controversial Chat Control regulation yesterday after facing massive public pressure.

The government did not take a position on the proposal.

This blocks the required majority in the EU Council, derailing the plan to pass the surveillance law next week.

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There were so many regions in support of it that it was dangerously close to passing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but - it wasn't "close to passing", it was "close to being passed on as a proposal for a law", requiring then a formal vote, no?

So, even if Germany retained its support and the motion went forward, it could still get smashed during the vote.

I’m thinking this post is the propaganda. Really really lazy propaganda.

I think you're misreading it and badly.

I read it as: "don't believe those who panicked that the EU is a fascist dictatorship that wants to subjugate the population, because it's still a democracy where the people have the power, as proven by Chat Control being thrown in the bin yet again".

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

it wasn't "close to passing", it was "close to being passed on as a proposal for a law", requiring then a formal vote, no?

It's the same thing. Why would a country show support for the legislation and then vote against it later?

I read it as: "don't believe those who panicke

This is such a charitable reading that it's probably fair to assume this is OPs alt account.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -3 points 15 hours ago

It’s the same thing.

It absolutely is not. I don't know, maybe you're more familiar with the US federal system (pre-Trump, because that's a different can of worms)? If so: imagine if the president (in this case having no ability to issue executive orders, mind you) says "we should do X". That's all well and good, but the X must still go through the Senate and Congress, where it might fail.

Why would a country show support for the legislation and then vote against it later?

Well, because "a country" is not a singular hive-mind, is it? The government says "yes", but their own Parliament might say "no".

Governments have no say in what goes on in the EU Commission or Parliament. I mean, sure, most of the time the MEPs coming out of the government-aligned parties will have similar votes, but the EU elections aren't in-step with most countries' elections, so it's never a 1:1 translation. And even then, many MEPs will just vote on their own.

This is such a charitable reading that it’s probably fair to assume this is OPs alt account.

Holy fuck, watch out when opening the fridge, mate, OP might jump out of it!