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This is a terrible map, lumping neutral and opposed together? I am against chat control but ffs we don't need more misleading media with the internet already dying under waves of automated misinformation

If that graphic is accurate, the media didn't "get" anyone. Seems some countries are actually gun-ho with the elimination of privacy, and its a movement that doesn't die with one failed vote.

Y'all are getting too fucking comfortable. Authoritarianism is always around the corner, even when things feel safe.

What a retarded blog post.

Let's not protest terrible ideas to not embarrass facists (who may or may not be part of your/our government) or what's supposed to be the message here?

"Because there was push back and the EU decided to not go forward with a vote and be embarrassed, that means they never really wanted it at all" is one of the dumbest takes I've heard in a minute.

Not going to downvote this because the source article is useful, but OP’s take is ludicrous. Have we really reached the point where ALL media is propaganda?

It might be time to unplug society and plug it back in again.

Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.

What? LOL Who do you think is pushing said "propaganda" to make people fear Chat Control unnecessarily?

And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.

It was demonstrably not a lie. There were so many regions in support of it that it was dangerously close to passing.

I'm thinking this post is the propaganda. Really really lazy propaganda.

Don't worry, it'll be back again in a few months with a new coat of paint.

Troll post. Not falling for it. Bye.

Yeah... no.

Germany switched to opposed partially because people knew about it and contacted their representatives.

They contacted their representatives because they heard about it.. through the media.

What kind of shit take is this?

Media made people aware of ongoing bullshit, people reacted and put pressure on their governments and somehow "media got to us"?

If anything it didn't pass because of media attention.

Good news. But I'm downvoting that post. OP's living in reverse crying-wolf land, it seems.

First, Chat Control got further than previous attempts, with a bigger scope than ever. Being worried about that is not the result of propaganda.

Second, a lot of countries where on board, including Germany. Stuff changed after lot of feedback. You can be cynical all you want arguing that "people's voice don't matter" and saying there's no causality there, but people made themselves heard, and thing moved. There's no telling what would have happened if they didn't.

The proposal being ultimately shot down (this time!) does not mean, at ALL, that it wasn't a very dangerous one.

Isn't this how liberal democracies are supposed to work? How exactly did "the media" get the better of "us"?

I believe it should be all over the media to ensure that it never passes. Democracy dies in darkness. Name and shame those who supported it.

There's no media about the EU in USA. Nobody gives a crap. The "news" is all just fascist propaganda about how genocide is good and windmills cause tornados.

EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.

But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.

This is what the EU democracy opinion was as of July 2024 BTW, before the "media got to you":

What a bizarre take. The EU council is backing down - they do want chat control but each time they propose it they meet resistance and back down. Then they come back again and try again.

To suggest the public reaction is overblown and media manipulation is bizarre. This is the 3rd or 4th time the EU has attempted to get this through. Just because they chickened out of a vote doesn't mean the politicians don't want this.

In a democracy votes happen. In the EU they keep resurrecting this terrible idea hoping to get it through but then backing away if they don't think they can win. They know if there was an actual vote it likely would put an end to his.

Also the EU council is the antithesis of a democracy. It is not directly elected - instead it's a club of the heads of states of all the countries in the EU. It just represents who happens to be in charge of each country, and gives equal weights to all those countries regardless of their population size. The EU has a Parliament but it's a fig leaf of democracy as so much power is held in bodies like the Council and the Commission (which is 1 post per state and horse traded not elected).

So please don't make this out as a sign that EU democracy works. If EI democracy was working properly they would have listened the first time, and they'd have moved to a directly elected system for the executive Council and commission years ago.

The EU gets too much of a free pass for "not being America" but it's got huge problems that need fixing to make it an actual democracy.

Are you mad that people got mad? Anger is not a subtle political instrument, a win is a win.

It didn't pass because people pressured Germany to reject it. If Germany had stayed undecided they would definitely have had a vote on Chat Control and potentially passed it.

We will have to fight Chat Control again and again...

Mass Surveillance should be blocked at the constitutional level in all countries.

On another point, my country, France is in a very deep political turmoil right now, so thanks for the robust response of our German friends that was definitely critical. I wish we could have mobilized better in France but we are struggling to just have a working government right now...

What an idiotic take on the issue.

Would the outcome have been the same without people in the media repeatedly bringing this to everyone's attention? Probably not, because there would have been no public pressure against it, while the shadow groups that want this would have still been lobbying the politicians.

Something bad is going to happen.
Some people advocate to stop that bad thing.
Even more people are holding their clutches that the bad thing might happen.
Because of public pressure, action is undertaken to prevent the bad thing from happening.
Thanks to those efforts, the bad thing is successfully averted.

Some random person: that bad thing was never going to happen, look at all those gullible people who were panicking over nothing, we could have just done nothing and the outcome would have been the same.

Also known as the "preparedness paradox": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preparedness_paradox

The EU officials are not elected by the people. Some of them are absolute idiots. The people pushing for this will continue making adjustments to Chat Control until one of the countries changes sides. The media is absolutely right.

I think you should never take these things lightly.

It's better to be too cautious than not cautious enough, especially since there are powerful interest groups that want mass surveillance.

The people don't want that, of course, but many politicians do, as evidenced by the fact that Palantir is being introduced in Germany, of all places, and completely illegally. This must be prevented, and the population has a role to play in this—for example, with petitions like this one, which already has more than 400,000 signatures: Trump software Palantir: Stop surveillance plans