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I can't believe I need to spell this out but ...
As regards climate change ALP is not perfect but they're infinitely better than LNP.
When you protest against ALP you inform low-information voters (which are the majority, by the way) that both parties are the same as regards climate change.
In a few short weeks either the ALP or LNP will form government. If it's the LNP they will roll out plans for nuclear power which is really just a license to keep burning coal for another 30 years.
If you'd like Australia to continue deriving it's energy from coal, then by all means protest the currently sitting government, during an election campaign.
Just because one party is bad doesn't mean we should settle for the slightly better one who are still actively burning our future, that's an absurd argument on the face of it.
We need to call out everyone for the shit they do because the fact is these guys are not good enough, they are not infinitly better than the LNP, they're marginally better and their entire climate change plan mostly relies on doing nothing and letting industry progress the way it's already been going.
Rising Tide is not lying about anything and misleading voters, the fact of the matter is Labor is doing all this shit and an election is the best possible chance to force them to be better. If they lose the election then that's on them for not shaping up and doing better, as people are literally shouting at them to do.
Fuck the ALP and the LNP I won't settle for ecocide in any form. If the ALP doesn't change then it doesn't fucking matter because the end state is going to be the same regardless. We are not at a point where we can sit on our fucking hands and wait for slow change to save us, people are actively dying and we're blazing past tipping points like there's no tomorrow.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR VOTE IS FOR.
I do vote?
Doesn't change the fact that voting generally does fuck all in terms of meaningful change, especially as we watch both of these major parties destroy the ability for smaller parties and independents to challenge them.
And so we are essentially left with a choice between being killed, and being killed but they smile while they do it. You change the options you can vote for by protesting, this is an exceptionally important part of modern democracy and it cannot be ignored.
Edit: The word "essentially" here is important. I know minority governments exist, and I would like to see one. It doesn't change the fact that two major parties absolutely dominate the system and wield the vast majority of power.
ok no.
That is not how voting works in Australia. At all. Preferential voting means you can directly put smaller parties and independents in the house and in the senate, meaning they then have very real power in the Australian government regardless of who is actually PM.
You know how there's always those articles about the party in power having to negotiate with members to get things happening? Yeah, that's because of our voting system that put those members from small parties and independents into the seats of power when people want them there. You're reading a script that applies more aptly to the US than anything else.
Oh I'm aware, I said as much in another comment. Sorry, I've mislead you on what I meant.
My problem with voting is that the entire system of government in this country does not do anything to meaningfully address the problems of entire swathes of the population, and voting does very very little to address that.
It appears to work, if you're sufficiently privileged to not be among those persecuted, oppressed, raped and murdered by those in power. There are individual issues that are sufficiently mainstream so as to be addressible in this way, and climate change is one of them, but even still we needed to have made major change a long time ago; the past 20 years has already proven it wasn't able to tackle climate change adequately.
I also never said we weren't using a preferential system. Idk if you follow any of the media analysis but the fact that all anyone cares about is the two party preferred vote should tell you enough about how much of a monopoly they have on power. Yes a minority government would be great, as I said earlier that's what everyone in climate activism is working for now. The point is that not doing the activism and relying exclusively on voting is insufficient.
that's not accurate to the Australian voting system at all, are you sure you're in the right instance?
Yes. I am.
The system is preferential, but the outcome of many an election is indistinguishable from a two party system. The system is not good enough, just because it's able to work sometimes isn't enough, especially when it "working" still results in an awful lot of unnaceptable shit happening.
I also never said anything to the contrary anyway? Voting hasn't gotten shit done, that's an observable fact. I've watched my future evaporate because we've left all of this up to a system that refuses to do the things it should. Even when things are done, all it takes is for the next election to undo it.
My definition of meaningful action might be different to yours, I mean radical long term change that involves upending the entire landscape and actually supporting the workers and victims of the fossil fuel industry.