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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Hamas accept the two state solution. Israel doesn't

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hamas doesn't accept the two state solution. They are open to maybe discussing potentially reaching a consensus about the 1967 borders.

If you want to underscore Israeli unreasonableness, you've got to point to the PA/Fatah. The PA/Fatah has accepted the two state solution and has stopped violent resistance against Israel. They are in every way an interlocutor for peace. And in return they are being constantly undermined and ratfucked by Israel. Their territory is being annexed, its authority ridiculed, ita legitimacy destroyed.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So PA has respected the term of the Oslo accords and Israel didn't and start building more settlements, arming and protecting the settlers yet PA still accept to work for Israel security while west banker get terrorized and attacked by them . Thank you for proving my point that PA are collaborators and Israel do not want peace regardless if Hamas is destroyed or not

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Israel actually dismantled settlements after Oslo. Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election. This put Netanyahu in power who ran on an agenda of opposing Oslo as well. Their refusal to a two state solution, and futile hope to defeat Israel through violence and terrorism, squandered every chance for a peaceful solution.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel under Rabin seemed intent to stick to the accords, but a far-right ultrazionist terror attack in Hebron and the subsequent assassination of Rabin by a right-wing Israeli extremist undermined it significantly as well.

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Of course the mosque attack had the same aim, and needs to be condemned just the same. But despite them, Arafat and the PA decided to continue the path towards peace. Hamas saw them even more as traitors and collaborators because of it (and, I'd like to point out, several posters in this thread still seem to believe this).

Despite it being a shocking event, the assassination of Rabin did not make Israel leave the path. His successor vowed to continue and even had a 30-point lead in the polls at one point.

Without the Hamas' bombing campaign Netanyahu would have been left shouting from a corner instead of being handed the power to reverse Oslo.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Israel actually dismantled settlements after Oslo

then quickly built new one. Even if it was Palestinian that did not respect it. Building more settlements is illegal under international law

Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election

Hamas was not part of the Oslo accords . Netanyahu himself say that he was the one who sabotaged it not Hamas

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hamas opposed the Accords and carried out several deadly bomb attacks against Israeli civilians in the runup to the next election Hamas was not part of the Oslo accords . Netanyahu himself say that he was the one who sabotaged it not Hamas

Before we continue: do you believe Netanyahu was part of the Oslo Accords?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What a dumb question

The Oslo Accords are a pair of interim agreements between Israel and the PLO. Israel can't escape from it's obligation just because the prime minister changed. Hamas was never a member of the PLO

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you believe Netanyahu represented Israel when the Oslo Accords were signed?

Do you think Hamas took over the obligation from the PLO to follow the Oslo Accords when they were elected in Gaza?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Netanyahu represent the state of Israel and have to respect the accords the state of Israel did sign before him. No leaders today has signed the Geneva and genocide convention for example does that mean that current leaders shouldn't respect the conventions their countries signed?

Hamas was not part of the accords so no Hamas doesn't have the obligation to respect it . Israel has killed innocent protestors after the accords was signed and before Hamas committed it's first suicide bombing. After the Oslo accords and before Hamas did it's first suicide bombing , the number of settlers increased and the settler violence never stopped

It's simple logic that you doesn't seem to be able to process. Israel and the countries who support settler colonialism are the only one responsible for the continuation of the occupation.

Once Palestine get liberated we can start talking about holding both side responsible for war crimes and have a great truth and Truth and Reconciliation process

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Say Netanyahu is voted out. Do you feel his successor is 'honor bound' to continue the deals Bibi made with Trump?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Signed deals between two states should be respect even when the leaders changes.

Once Netenyahu is voted out someone as bad or worse will take his place. If Hamas is desarmed , isrsel will continue occupation and will move to blame someone else in Palestine

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's knock it up another notch

Say you are given leadership of Israel. Would you feel bound to respect the deals Bibi made with Trump?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I am done with your stupid questions. I already answered it

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago

They are open to maybe discussing potentially reaching a consensus about the 1967 borders.

You're exaggerating, but also sure, why do they need to go any further? Compromising beforehand is never a good idea, see: PA. Speaking of which, PA isn't a tragic victim; they're an active collaborator. The only thing they do is keep Palestinians under an oppressive dictatorship and fight what little Palestinian resistance exists in the West Bank. That's why they have no legitimacy; their current program is one of submission, not "peace."

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The 2017 charter of Hamas say that it accept it , it is the last updated version. Khalil al-Hayya has more practical power within Hamas than Mashaal and he said that Hamas would drop arms after having a Palestinian state is made so without arms how are they supposed to destroy Israel

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2025/10/who-hamas-chief-negotiator-khalil-al-hayya

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

at the same time this document strove for the "complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea",[7] and did not explicitly recognize Israel.

Hmm

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hamas sabotaged the Oslo Accords by blowing up civilians exactly because they opposed a two state solution. (Succesfully, because this then helped Netanyahu seize power)

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Hamas was not part of the Oslo Accords so no Hamas did not sabotaged it . Oslo Accords is still respected by the PLO while Israel continue to steal Palestinians land, arm and protects the settler terrorists. I don't know why you keep using the same excuse Israel do