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Maybe liberals just care more about their community? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds a little too far fetched to me. Also like a USA problem. Police in Europe, while definitely not perfect, is a lot more friendly and almost never exhibits the same behaviors as American police.

I don't mean to imply anything or to accuse anyone, but to me this sounds exactly like the kind of argument someone who throws trash around would make.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

(Summoned from other comment)

I don't mean to imply anything, but what sort of person wants to take away people's right to vote? :-P

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I wish I'd seen this before replying to the other comment. Now it'll be two parallel discussions.

Can't really disagree with anything here. You're perfectly right to question the ethics of such a policy. It's just an idea that popped up. I'm not saying I'd implement it immediately after becoming the prime minister. Simply something to think about, like we're doing right now.

To solve this debate, I think there are two main questions we need to answer first.

Is everyone unconditinally entitled to voting rights, regardless of their situation?
What is the objective of a democracy?

Personally, I'd say that:

Not necessarily. If you want to have a say in how your community operates, you should not be actively harming that community. If you can't be bothered to pick up your trash and throw it into a trash can down the street - it seems clear to me that you don't care and/or value the community, and so cannot be trusted to influence it with the best of intentions. Of course, excusing special situations.
This one is more complicated. At the roots, I think we can all agree that the overarching goal is to have a fair, well functioning system that promotes positive change. Do people leaving trash around facilitate that objective? Not in the slightest. Would temporarily restricting their voting rights lead to improvements? Would it be fair and just? Hard to say. Not sure I have an answer here.