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Collapse doesn't mean it's wiped off the map. All the guns and bombs will continue to exist as it becomes more and more of a failed state, there is a real possibility of lashing out and starting WWIII, and in any case the right is much better armed and poised to take advantage of the chaos.
All else being equal, I believe it's better if it doesn't collapse just yet. But we don't really get to decide that, and regardless of what we want or don't want, collapse is coming. There will be no return to the status quo, not for long anyway, because people are dissatisfied with it, and the powers that be have demonstrated that they're unwilling to make any sort of compromise to keep things running if it gets in the way of their looting.
There's no real reason to push for collapse since it's inevitable, it's better to just prepare for it so that we can best contain the damage.
Is there a chance that the collapse causes a civil war so that the US will be too busy dealing with that to lash out at other countries? The country is polarized enough that I would think it would just take the right moment to cause that to happen. Other countries could take advantage of the weakness of the US during that time to surpass the US in every field. I feel like if a revolution can not be achieved this would be the best alternative because at least the rest of the world would benefit.
A civil war would be entirely one-sided bc one side has all the guns. That's not really a war, it's a massacre. And nobody's gonna risk their neck in the first place if it's a doomed cause.
There are two scenarios where there's a fighting chance, first, if the conflict is between the state and the right, and second, if the left becomes armed and organized.
The material conditions aren't set for the left to take advantage of chaos and collapse. The first order of business is to set up the correct material conditions.
Regardless a “collapse of the US” will be something like the collapse of British empire
I think we need to examine what we're specifically talking about when we say, "collapse." The British Empire, the Weimar Republic, and the Qing dynasty all collapsed, but that collapse looked very different in each case.
They will exist as a shadow of their former selves no longer able to wage war or terrorise other countries with impunity
I'm not convinced declining conditions will lead to that result. As conditions have declined, the war machine has become more powerful than ever.
Declining conditions is too vague it can elapse anything from eggs got 0.5 cents more expensive to the economy just collapsed (which would weaken the war machine severely since the army is effectively a money sink with no returns) no in order for the US to collapse it has suffer several defeats at war and forcibly undergo an economic transformation that leaves is more isolated from the world