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[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can we all agree that both sides of this debate suck?

Pauline Hanson is a racist bigot we shouldn’t be giving the time of day to; but as a tolerant society, we should also not tolerate or allow burka and niqab in a similar fashion to how we don’t allow motorcycle helmets and other headgear which fully obscures one’s face?

[–] eureka@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in a similar fashion to how we don’t allow motorcycle helmets and other headgear which fully obscures one’s face?

...these are allowed. In fact, it's illegal to ride a motorcycle without a motorcycle helmet.

I'm guessing you're talking about special or private places like banks, but that's not what Pauline Hanson was proposing, at all.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, to clarify, I did mean wearing a motorcycle helmet while walking into a public or commercial space like a bank, supermarket, shopping centre etc.

I have no problems with hijab, shayla and other open/face head coverings as a self-expression of religious modesty - but at a point that ‘modesty’ is either no longer a personal choice (ie. imposed by pressure from family, friends, spiritual leaders), or begins to negatively impact public safety.

Such garments are no longer fit-for-purpose in an a progressive society such as ours.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

supermarket, shopping centre etc

Why? Delivery drivers across Asia do it.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While I’ve only visited a few cities in mainland China, the food delivery drivers that I have see have all worn open-faced helmets like this:

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As to why, apart from it being generally anti-social - it’s mainly because it’s a massive security issue, as the individual in question cannot be identified in the event of assault, theft or order crimes.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Did you come over in winter? I am in Urumqi and its quite common to see open-faced helmet with a scarf/necktube/jacket pulled over the mouth/nose, I also saw it in Korea and Vietnam.

You have cameras which presumably can see their bike liscense.

Then again, masking in public due to illness/air pollution is common over here, it would be weird to ban just delivery drivers from covering their faces.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oe1EXro6s

In this case no, I skimmed the video but in this case I don't see her doing anything wrong

It's a bit ironic that the greens lady in the video is so loud and outraged about someone wearing a burqa, maybe because most people feel this way, just not about one particular person but all who wear it.

Unfortunately Nu Greens members have tied the party into a very odd spot, progressive and regressive simultaneously which is leading people to leave to labor, resulting in one of the saddest poll results ever:

The latest Guardian Essential poll also found One Nation’s primary vote has doubled to 13% since the May federal election, putting support for the hard-right party above the Greens.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/oct/01/australians-back-labor-albanese-emissions-target-while-one-nation-support-doubles-guardian-essential-poll

Congrats to the greens, you played yourself