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badposting is a comm where you post badly
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Ever had a really shitty bit idea? Joke you want to take way past the point of where it was funny? Want to feel like a stand-up comedy guy who's been bombing a set for the past 30 minutes straight and at this point is just saying shit to see if people react to it? Really bad pun? A homemade cringe concoction? A cognitohazard that you have birthed into this world and have an urge to spread like chain mail?
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Thing is, if someone dictates to a prompt, I want catgirl picture. No, blonde. Make her taller. Try a more sci-fi background. Now a more intimidating face.
That’s not an artist’s process. That’s the process of a director or producer, a marketing head to the artists telling them to refine an idea for a mascot until it hits their idea of optimal advertising. They don’t want to be artists, they want to be management.
I mean are directors not artists? I think the issue right now is everyone working on it is a tech nerd doing it as a tech hobby. Everyone is an amateur. I suspect there will eventually be people who actually know how to make real art with AI models. But they'll have to put as much effort as a real artist does. Way more than just "prompt engineering". I mean training your own custom models and coordinating whole teams of them.
Humans subconsciously estimate value based on how much labour that goes into creating something. If everyone can make the ai slop with almost no labour then the ai slop is estimated as worthless in value.
Isn’t it also highly derivative? At least photography and filmmaking require you to create with the surroundings you’re given and not entire styles based on someone else’s work.
Everything is derivative tbh, what I think matters for art is cultural impact. What creates cultural impact? Usually something that has just the right amount of edginess and awareness of the current social/political climate to raise eyebrows or hackles, while also being impressively performed.
I have seen some AI use that is good, but not by itself. It has always been part of implementation in other presentation styles where manual work usually elevates it. For example I've seen some comics created with AI that impressed me, the element that was really raising it above slop was the writer being good and the comic panel setting, the shapes of the panels, the crops of the images, the energy and impact, etc.
I wouldn't be able to show you though as I've only seen them in passing and don't remember the names to be able to link them. I think you'll get my point though, the AI combined with a whole bunch of other labour can change their value into something interesting. Part of the problem I also think is that artists are against using AI at all, so there are very few people with the creative skills to make good things who are using it. The result is slop.
And it'll have to be clear they did. Its going to take several years after the AI bubble collapses before what I'm predicting will be possible.
In a broad sense, yes directors are artists. But the people calling themselves AI artists aren’t seeing themselves that way, they see themselves as equivalent to “pick up a paintbrush” artist.
I think there are potential good use-cases for AI in art, but I think those are going to be more of a “cutting out busy work drudgery” things than doing the actual creating. Like, with music production, using AI for stem separation makes sense. It’s a long, arduous process to do it manually., rarely works well, and it’s not especially instructive. So yeah, let the AI do that.
I would say currently every AI artist is worse than that. The AI is just a money machine and they turn the crank.
I agree the real "money" would be artists tools. I genuinely surprised we haven't seen more. But maybe there is and I just haven't touched Adobe in years.
calling a director an artist is really broadening the definition of it. its usually meant painter/drawer or dancer/musician/actor/any kind of performer. there's an art to directing, but i don't know if they are "artists."
Directors can be artists. Its not streching the term. Kubrick, Kurosawa, Fastbender, etc. All the great Auteurs.
Except the part of directing that is analogous to is more about organising other people - artists, creative technicians etc, so as to facilitate their collaboration towards a cohesive coherent goal.
When someone dictates a series of prompts they are more like a blend of client and consumer. It's possible that the output will then be on-sold or incorporated into a larger inherently creative project, but the catgirl picture is not creative output and the person who prompted it did not create it.