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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What you miss is that by supporting appeasement to russia, you are the one encouraging more war. Yes russia wants to keep expanding. Putin has said this directly.

NATO 'expansion' is when countries ask to join and then are admitted . Around russia, countries join nato for the defensive pact. If russia doesn't want countries on their borders banding together to protect themselves from Russian aggression, then they shouldn't have been so aggressive. Russia has absolutly no right to attack it's neighbors just because they want to be able to defend themselves.

Yes, it sucks for the civilians on all sides when Russia attacks. The only solution is for russia to stop attacking - which they could do any day. But they're a war mongering country, so will only stop when they run out of the ability to attack.

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

See now, I tried telling you, that you're whole thought process is taken over by the absolutely normal bias one gets from living a normal live in the west and is only mildly interested in politics. One can only think in the propagandized patterns learned from the ruling system.

Good guy Marx said: "The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class."

You actively have to break through that, by critically open your mind for different perspectives. Here in this thread has been another conversation that also touches on your appeasement critique, I recommend you read the very thoughtful commentary of @Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com from this comment on downwards, it's not that much and while they're in discussion with someone else, they're explaining it better and calmer, than I'm able to. Have a good day.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 23 hours ago

Thanks for the mention, comrade. You're doing the lord's work here.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's not a matter of explaining Marxism ffs. It's that russia is attacking Ukraine. Countries want to join nato to protect themselves from exactly what russia is doing. Russia's current actions are destabilizing and dangerous for the rest of the world. Other countries will always prioritize their own best interests; but in this case, many countries' best interests are to support Ukraine against russia so as to weaken russia and teach them not to be aggressive. Russia needs to be forced to change course.