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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like she is a bit naive about that. Racism is like a really big driving force that has lead us to where we are today, and it is still a huge part of the problem. But even if you snapped racism out of existence right now, I think that specifically the Gaza situation would only slightly improve. I think there are a few really critical things that you would also need to eliminate:

  • The biggest driving force in that area is religion, both Christianity and Judaism in Israel and the US (not all of them, but a lot of powerful parts of them) really want Jerusalem and Gaza as they are both important parts of the return of the Messiah if I remember correctly
  • Second and very close to first is power. For the US Israel is the Middle East HQ, supporting the Israeli government is basically non-negotiable. Only if the US government changes to one with actual morals (Yeah right) will they actually go against Israel. And for Israel it is currently with a government built on corruption that leans heavily towards extreme right and religious parties.
  • The rest are money, racism, and other common culprits.

I truly believe that if tomorrow racism was gone there would be very little difference in the overall situation, and this is not to reduce from fact that racism is a huge reason of how we got here.

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know why you are being downvoted because your analysis is on point. Yes it is racism, mainly on the US part, but religion on Israel part.

However, we should note that Israel treats semitic jews as sub-jews. So it's still racism, at its core.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It's still people thinking that they're better than other people. Because of their skin, their heritage, their religion - that does not really matter. This all counts as racism. She's absolutely right, yet again.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Racism is kind of like the basis for all of this horrible stuff, but at somepoint it goes past it. What I'm trying to say is that even if tomorrow racism stopped, Palestinians would still be ubder attack by Israel because Israel would still blame tgem for 7.10 and would still have the excuse of taking down Hamas. So even if they weren't racist they would still support the war. It might make things better to a degree, reduce war crimes and stuff. But the Israeli government would still want to conquer Gaza because of religion (which is not racism but still fucked up) and the US would still support Israel because of power over the middle-east.

I didn't say she was wrong, but to say that racism is the only problem is naive.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 20 points 1 day ago (13 children)

$$ Money $$

There's no money in helping Gaza.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

That's only kind of true. There's a lot of money that could be found in funding Gaza. As someone made a point elsewhere in this thread. Money was made in Ukraine due to us funding it and some creative accounting, but the smart money move was to allow Russia to invade and save money/exploit off the back of the chaos.

In an almost identical way the U.S. could have funded Gaza and made money dragging out the war, but it didn't happen because of decades of entrenched racism and Zionism.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (32 children)
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[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 101 points 2 days ago (9 children)

she's not wrong, if it were white people that were being killed there would be more reaction

heck, trump made up a white genocide in south Africa just to make them look bad

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 190 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Immediately after this she also says that short-term gains & geopolitical power (ie USA).

She just says that racism allows such a system to even exist.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel is the West’s ally so the West backs Israel

Ethics are only used to draw support to your side, they don’t really exist

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don't think that's the main reason. Racism is probably a factor, but the main reason is imperialism. Israel benefits The U.S. and NATO strategically. Even if Gazans were, say, russian-speaking Cossacks instead, I think the situation would not be terribly different.

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