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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] polite_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Finally a fucking accurate headline. All of this "argument between zelensky and trump" horseshit was so immediate and widespread. Trump couldn't even handle his own unjustified attack. They needed vance to to start with verbal diarrhea and buzz words so dementia donny dipshit had things to free associate with. They ganged up and bullied to try to force him to break, and he held.

[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I understand now why tankies were so obsessed with not voting for Genocide Joe.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

People should have the right to vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect. Its a inalienable right actually.

There are more representative electoral systems that can accomplish this. Are you working to pass electoral reform in your state so those that are unrepresented by First-past-the-post voting can participate in democracy?

"Why are women so obsessed with suffrage" - you, if you lived during the early 20th century

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[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

I dunno how you can draw a false equivalence between women fighting for their right to vote, and refusing to vote against an avowed fascist (who then won office), and keep a straight face.

[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

I think Tolkien has words for the corrupted, the lesser beings that are greedy agressive morons, "orcs"

[–] mdurell@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

I know my meme game has died and ascended into Boomerdoom, for I've seen this about 12 times and IDK what's up

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol imagine being a Russian and seeing the "Evil West" siding with your leader. Must be a confusing time... 🤣

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This really is the end of the US era. Nobody will count on them for things like this from now on. War was the one thing the US was good at, now they have nothing of value left for the rest of the world.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk -1 points 1 month ago

War was the one thing the US was good at, now they have nothing of value left for the rest of the world.

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.

US is good at pumping infinite money into the military. But they definitely aren't "good" at war.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Coming from YouTube, all the comments were saying Trump put Zelenksy in his place.. are people actually that stupid, or is the whole internet edgy rightwing bots?

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The comment section of the video I watched said otherwise. Was the one you watched on the Fox channel by any chance? They be like that.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was a left leaning UK channel, weirdly enough

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

What channel?

[–] Bonifratz@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know the main thing here is Vance and Trump backstabbing and bullying Zelenskyy, but I just want to point out that Trump repeatedly talked about "raw earth" instead of "rare earths". We're truly fucked.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump is America's Boris Johnson turned up 100. The act of stupidity is intentionally, to provide a thin veneer of plausible deniability in case the rule of law comes back swinging it's prejudice cock to only smack either Vance in the face as he Pardons Trump and Musk.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

If Trump's stupidity is an act then boy is he committed to the bit - because he's been dumb as a bag of rocks since grade school, through high school, college, and in every encounter with people close to him. Doesn't even turn it off for the wives or friends behind closed doors. Truly the greatest method actor of our times.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives. We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen. Trump and his cult would side with Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.

Great fucking job.

And great fucking job, Mods, for protecting those fucks in the name of civility.

We are the baddies now. And we got here because you'd rather protect Nazis from being punched in the mouth for their words and actions in the name of civility.

[–] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thank fucking God we didn't vote for Harris because she wouldn't outright condemn Israel. Totally worth everything happening now (that any remotely educated and reasonable person warned about).

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gaslighting people into believing that Harris did not promise unconditional support for Israel's genocide I see.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago

You're in a lemmy.world instance, brown lives are acceptable sacrifices to them.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

[–] WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True, but I don't think it matters any more what they think. They are a cult, and we cannot salvage this situation by swaying them. We have to act accordingly. They just need to be mowed down if they get in the way.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I‘m trying to think of ways other than a civil war to salvage this situation but I’m coming up blank. Maybe someone more optimistic than me can chime in.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, don't be a bitch about it, pull a Fort Sumter or shut it lmfao

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm European. We have other wars to deal with right now, but I suggest you sort your shit out rather sooner than later.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

european

I see, opinion discarded!

Insta edit: only cowards need a /s

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Perfect response, enjoy your fall of Rome era.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Perfect yourself, enjoy your "Satellite State of Rome during the Fall of Rome Era" era DX

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Well, we're going to have to make friends with Iran to make our membership in the Axis of Evil official.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Zelensky can only blame himself. If he showed some sense and restraint he would have returned to Ukraine with the deal. This is not the way you should act with Trump, and I should say especially not when your country depends on US support to the extend Ukraine does.