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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Inspire, maybe, just by pointing out someone's behavior in as gentle a way as possible. Although the effectiveness will very from person to person.

Teach, definitely not. Repeating what you're told to think, say or do is a fairly opposite thing.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 15 hours ago

Important caveats:

(1) Measure expectationsTo know oneself is a personal journey one must travel themselves. You can accompany them to a nearby milestone and/or encourage them to find the next, but ultimately you can’t fight their intellectual battles on their behalf. Expecting to will lead only to frustration.

(2) Be forewarnedNote that even in the best case, proceeding will almost certainly alter the dynamics of your relationship, and perhaps end it altogether.

(3) Consider the safest approachIf you’re interested in maintaining the relationship, it would be far better if they were supported in this long journey by a professional (a cognitive behavioral therapist / social worker) rather than a friend/peer. This is especially true for anything so extensive as what you’re describing.

With these caveats carefully considered…I have found that most people are receptive to a method of periodic open-ended questioning, a common technique of active listening.

I don’t mean confrontational interrogation or leading questions (to which there are “correct” answers). I mean precisely the kinds of unassuming questions someone with more developed introspection might ask themselves internally. Questions of clarification or contemplation, for example, and general curiosity regarding others’ motivations, as well as one’s own.

This method, used carefully, seems to work by temporarily donating perspective to someone, via simple demonstration, which aids them in cultivating their own.

Over time, you may find that they begin to anticipate your questions (perhaps with friendly exasperation) which is the first sign that it’s working.

Best of luck.

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would start with a mindfulness practice.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem is that this person almost seems to have an aversion to introspection.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

if they can't do it on their own, and also assuming their aversion to introspection extends to psychologists too... well, if they ever express a desire to try psychadelics do encourage them. if there's one thing that can force you to look in, it's that. but let me reiterate - encourage them if they independently come up with the idea, don't drug them (obviously), don't push them towards it, make sure they are able to give informed consent to trying

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

This would work.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it extends to psychologists, too. This is something to consider. Thanks =)

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You can't force anyone to learn anything. They have to be receptive.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Literally practicing self awareness.

[–] Hoohoo@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Change always comes too late" (Star Trek - Picard iirc)

You need to account for digestion. Put your best efforts in, and provide the right situation for growth. Wait the appropriate amount of time, and then some.

Think, grandparents say profound shit that doesn't germinate with every grandchild until they're long gone and then some. Not everyone is a timely learner.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

This is some wisdom right here. Thanks! 😊

You convince/show someone something majorly difficult/annoying/hurtful they have been dealing with comes from themselves and their confusion that they never realized, and that usually starts the spark of doubt regarding self-knowledge that brings about self-discovery/actualisation. Idk if you can do more for them... God gave us all the tools, but it's your choice to use them.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Short answer, yes, it can be learned and taught, but the person has to be willing to put in even a bare minimum of effort. If your friend isn't willing to even consider the possibility of trying something new, they are stuck, unless something changes.

They are angry at how their life ended up, but can't see how or why they got there, as it relates to their own actions. It's all someone and something else's fault.

This sounds like a form of blame-shifting, which is a super toxic trait. Here's a list I found for you in a web search of some of the possible reasons someone does this:

Low Self-Esteem – Those with a fragile self-image may deflect blame to protect their sense of self-worth.
Fear of Failure – Admitting mistakes can feel overwhelming, leading some to shift responsibility elsewhere.
Lack of Accountability – Some individuals were never taught to take responsibility, often due to permissive parenting or a lack of consequences.
Narcissistic Tendencies – Those with narcissistic traits may believe they’re incapable of being at fault.
Learned Behavior – If blame shifting was modeled during childhood, it can become a default coping mechanism.
Avoidance of Shame – For some, experiencing shame feels unbearable, so they will do anything to avoid it.
Control Issues – Blame shifting can be a way to manipulate situations and maintain control.
Cognitive Dissonance – It can be easier to blame others than to confront inconsistencies between one’s actions and self-image.

All this is to say - there is no one-size-fits-all answer here.

One common option others have already recommended is mindfulness meditation. Practicing focusing your attention on something, then when your mind wanders, notice that and bring your attention back to what you were originally focusing on. Keep doing that for 10 minutes per day (ideally) or even once per week for weeks, months, years.

This and other mindfulness exercises can help someone learn to recognize to accept the world around them as it is, view themselves and others with non-judgment, and practice gratitude and forgiveness.

I'd be interested to hear if you offered to do this with your friend whether he'd be willing to try.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks for taking the time to reply with all that.

There is a lot of avoidance going on despite them vocally asserting that they want to get better and are willing to try new ideas. But when the rubber meets the road, there is nothing but excuses.

I've tried asking deeper questions that require introspection, just to hear "I don't know how to answer that."

It feels like a lost cause, but a big part of what got me out of my own pit is that I don't easily let things go. (Not bragging, it gets me in trouble a lot, too)

I'll definitely keep your advice in mind and let you know if it helps!

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sometimes it can begin as empathy. As simple as "how would YOU feel if someone else did/said that?"

Of course, most people without much self awareness choose to be that way and will rarely thank you for helping them. Just be cautious, especially if they are in a position of power.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not that kind of lack, it's more like... They are angry at how their life ended up, but can't see how or why they got there, as it relates to their own actions. It's all someone and something else's fault.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are angry at how their life ended up, but can’t see how or why they got there, as it relates to their own actions. It’s all someone and something else’s fault.

Are sure it isn't narcissism they have?

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

To be honest... I'm not sure. I have considered it though.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait, how do you know my mother?

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Didn't know I had a brother.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago
[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they're a Sociopath, Narcissist or Psychopath, don't even bother. It's not worth the effort to come to the conclusion that you can't change them.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

Sadly this might be the case.

[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Mediation seems like a good place to start.

[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Plant the seeds of thought. Encourage someone who is receptive to you, to practice always asking 'why' and trying to find those answers. When they have a question, help them walk through reasoning to find the answers instead of giving the answer, yourself.

Most importantly, you cannot change someone's mind if you are not their friend first. Sometimes that's up to the other person to want to be there in the first place.

Sorry, word soup but wanted to chime in. A number of people like to spend time around me because I encourage them to think through difficult problems and celebrate their victories.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not word soup at all! It makes a lot of sense.

I think the issue is that I'm trying to reach someone on a logical level because due to our history and their current situation, I'm unable to connect emotionally.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By pausing the student in the middle of acting and having her reflect on the why of her action.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Literally the most important question. This is a great point, and I need to give it more weight in this situation.

The problem is that I usually get short, angry replies when I prompt a why question.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The other person needs to either want to become self aware, or at least want to please the one doing the correcting.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

They say they want to improve, but I kinda feel like they aren't even self aware enough to know what they want.