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What's a little extra 5 or 10 mph on the clock?

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[–] littletranspunk@lemmus.org 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't, and even before I was on a ghost probation.

Long-Short: got a ticket, did a defensive driving course to have it not affect my driving record, I'm now on a ghost probation. There's no checkups or anything, but if I get another traffic ticket within 3 months of completing that course it's like a default "throw the book at them" stop.

I didn't speed then, I don't speed now, I just don't want to be close to a cop let alone a legally permitted situation where not showing the utmost care, respect, and caution can trigger a qualified immunity action for something minor

[–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

Not surprising. After living for ten years in the US, I would say that Americans are among the worst drivers in any developed country. Really awful behaviour all around.

[–] breadsanta@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In my US state of Texas, speed studies set the speed limit based on a 85th percentile rule. They assume that people will basically ignore the speed limit and drive the speed they feel is safe. That's why we have highways with 85 mph speed limits.

https://www.txdot.gov/safety/driving-laws/speed-limits/speed-zone-studies.html

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That's not a bad strategy. Driving slowly on slow roads or in adverse conditions and fast on highways seems rational to me. What is the point of making a road that is specifically designed for high speed and then putting a limit on it? The speed limit is an incredibly blunt instrument for deterring bad driving, as if driving below the limit is always going to be the safest option. It also motivates law enforcement abuse. The vehicle-environment-driver complex is much more nuanced than a single variable threshold.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's always been my thoughts on the matter. Don't enforce speed. Enforce proper lane usage and following distance.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 13 hours ago

That and modify the road, don't expect all the drivers to change their subconscious behaviors

It can be as simple as paint - people will go the speed they feel is appropriate, threat of punishment won't effectively change their behavior. If the road looks smaller than it is or seems to narrow around intersections, people just drive slower

Cheap, easy, science based.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

I don't think I'm autistic. But it tickles my brain that the speed limit is one USian law that is designed to NOT be followed literally.

If it were, it would be trivial to use automatic toll reader cameras to give everyone who speeds a ticket. They have a time stamp when you enter the toll road. They have a time stamp when you exit. They can calculate mathematically that if your average speed is higher than the limit, you broke the speed limit.

But they don't do this, because society does NOT believe in following this specific law (speed limits)... because why exactly?

There is an unwritten rule in society that the speed limit law is not meant to be followed literally?

I hate it.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

They don't do it because the U.S. has good standards for what is a crime.

For example cops can't tailgate you then give you a ticket for speeding.

Additionally, doing this only on freeways would probably make the roads less safe as drivers would go faster on surface streets. Thr 65mph speed limit was set in the 1950s by 1950s white men for 1950s cars. Freeways are safer than surface streets by multiple factors of 10.

[–] mikezeman@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Another factor that hasn't been mentioned yet is it gives cops pretty unilateral right to pull you over if they feel like it. IANAL, but in many places it's illegal for a cop to pull you over just for "being suspicious", but because of speeding and various other traffic laws on the books that are almost universally ignored, they can pull you over for speeding, then decide you seem suspicious and search your car, breathalyze you, etc.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Keep in mind police in the United States don't have to prove someone was speeding. There is no photographic evidence or logged speed reading. If a cop says you were speeding, according to their "justice" system, you were speeding. End of story.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

"You were going fifty-five in a fifty-fo' "

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There's lots and lots of laws like that

Like perjury. It's almost never pursued, the judge will just order your testimony ignored

Or paying your taxes. You're basically expected to do your best to cheat, especially if you're a corporation

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm trying to accept that there are laws like this :/

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 8 hours ago

When I was 4, I asked to see the book of laws. You know, the thing that determines whether you live free or in prison, the things that lays out all the things you actually have to do. The absolute list of things that must be followed to exist within our society

I'm still more baffled than my parents were then that there is no such book, and that it is not a book all adults must obviously have simple and continued access to

A federal effort to just fucking count the number of federal laws in effect stopped well in the six digits before the effort was essentially declared impossible

You're not coming to terms with anything yet. Your eyes have cracked open ever so slightly and you're desperately trying to close them again

I speak this all without judgement in the nature of compassion and desire for understanding. I can put it more plainly but you're approaching the truth on your own, and you will gain deeper understanding arriving to the obvious conclusions yourself

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

The other aspect is that we typically are against automated enforcement regardless of the law.

We typically want people to be in the loop. If there were more visible traffic cops, people tend to slow down to the limit.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Well if the limit was actually meant as a limit, they could at least send an automatic warning.

This seems to send the message that the speed limit isn't a limit at all, it is just informational, and also an excuse for police to pull anyone over for any subjective reason.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

Automated enforcement just invites cities to do extremely vile things like kill people by lowering yellow light durations.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If that happened people would avoid toll roads which means there won't be enough toll income.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Or they could make the speed limit law an appropriate limit, rather than something everyone exceeds

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on where. I’m going the speed limit through town or less where there are people. It saves lives.

But highways are built for fast driving and cars continue to get safer and more performant. Fuck the speed limit set for 1970’s death traps and hasn’t changed.

The real problem as always is local roads designed like highways. Stroads seem to be one of the underrated evils of modern society

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Cars might have gotten better, but a lot of highways haven't been improved enough for those higher speeds. For example, there's a lot of on ramps in older cities with very short merge zones, and you need to hammer the throttle and pray that there's a spot for you by the time you hit the end.

This is especially true if the person in front of you refuses to accelerate to highway speeds to merge safely, simply hoping that people will be nice enough to let them in.

There's one near me where I've almost been in accidents just about every time I use it.

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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (20 children)

It quite literally is.

If you don't keep up with traffic, people pass you, and that is much more dangerous than an extra 10mph

[–] Bieren@lemmy.today 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve had people blow past me at like 20-30 over. Swerving all over through traffic. Only for me to pull up beside them at the stop light at the top of the exit ramp. Worth it. Not saying it’s always the case. But it’s funny af when it does.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

That's not relevant to this article.

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[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Driving school and being pulled over has taught me that the silly numbers are not the maximum speed, theyre the minimum speed, and the actual maximum is 5-10 higher depending on what other people are doing. "Going with the speed of traffic and going fast enough to prevent lane changes" is the real answer.

Ive begun going the exact speed limit in the right lane and ive been pulled over 3 times now and experienced more roadrage than i thought possible. I never got pulled over going 90 in a 70, or 30 in a 25, or 45 in a 35.

People are in such a hurry to save 0-30 seconds on their 15 minute drive

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Can you tell these stories? I didn't think cops would pull you over for going the speed limit in the right lane.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Since i got my EV ive been going the speed limit because range issues. Everyone around me is going 75 in a 55 (goes from 65 to 55 during my commute but no one cares) while i actually slow down to 55. Had a police officer pull me over for driving suspiciously, i asked him if he knew how fast i was going, when he said no i let him know i was going the speed limit unlike literally every other car. He gave me a ticket for impeeding traffic and it got thrown out after the court wasted 3 hours of my time.

Basically the same story again two more times.

Worth noting im a white male presenting person with a clean record, so your milage may vary

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

My mother-in-law has been pulled over for doing the speed limit three times in her life. Each time given a warning and told by the cops she's making everyone else less safe.

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[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the real answer to question "why people speed" is someplace closer to "why was this neighbourhood road designed like a freeway". Another is "why is it safe to have virtually no speed limits on Autobahns?". I mean people act on environmental queues - from the size of lanes to what speed fellow motorists are observing. Just pinning it on individuals is incorrect. HOWEVER there are entitled arseholes out there who will totally ride jour read bumper at high speed because they need to pass you only to turn off at nearest exit.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

“why was this neighbourhood road designed like a freeway”

The stroad by my house is five lanes wide with a 45mph speed limit but still has crosswalks that nobody can use because it's a five lane road with people doing 45mph and many people have already been killed crossing. So many that children are bussed from the school across the road because it's too dangerous to even have a crossing guard.

You read that right: Kids who live less than 200 feet from the school can't walk there because the road is too dangerous.

And we can't get the speed limit lowered because it's a state highway and the state says it has to be 45 and the local community has no say in it.

And people wonder why I hate authority.

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