No you shouldnt.
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Couldn't have asked for a better answer
Its not selfish to convince your family to do what's in their own best interests.
why feel bad for suggesting objectively better software?
IMO it's better in a sense that one may do damage vs one that would not
WhatsApp does a lot of damage. Even if they don’t read your messages (there is no evidence that they can’t, since WhatsApp is proprietary), they at the minimum know who you talk to and when, and they use that data across Meta services to track you.
It's not selfish. Data protection protects THEM as well.
I'm on Signal, if someone wants to reach me they can find me there.
I'm okay with not being instantly available to dozens of people.
However i’ve been thinking and i feel like an asshole for making them switch.
You should definitely not feel like an asshole for getting them on a safer app. You moved them off a predatory app. That's good. I convinced my mom to get off Whatsapp because Meta kept trying to scam her into using the AI bullshit.
With Signal, it's just messages. No ads, nothing trying to trick you into doing something against your benefit. It's just messaging. That's all she cares about.
Asking someone to add an additional free messaging app is maybe a 2 out of 10 on the effort scale, where 1 is "hand me that thing that's next to you" and 10 is "give me one of your kidneys".
You shouldn't feel bad about asking anyone who claims to care about you for such a small favor even if it didn't benefit them, but as others have already mentioned, it does.
I've started replying to any meta site link with this sticker I found on signal
If people knew how meta treats their customers, then they won't (I hope) stay there.
Cropped version.
Horrible resolution though...
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wife: I hate that every time we talk about stuff I get ads about it, it's too creepy.
me: move to signal, here's my singal ID
wife: *sigh mabye tomorrow
REPEAT ABOVE 30 times
wife ok, let me install it
wife: adding you
we never text, or fb, or anythig, just signal
no more creepy ads.
Why shouldn’t they feel like “assholes” forcing you to use WhatsApp umin the first place? I quit WhatsApp years ago. Everyone I know uses either Signal or Telegram (still better than Meta).
Don’t overcomplicate things. Just stick to what you feel is right.
In some countries, WhatsApp is the main tool of communication. When I visited Chile years ago, companies had WhatsApp logos on all of their ads, billboards and storefronts. So I get why it’s so difficult to ditch it in those places.
If no one starts the change, nothing ever will change. Someone has to go through the hassle so others can follow.
Yeah, gotta start somewhere. It’s just crazy how Meta got their claws in with WhatsApp.
Don't give up on Signal. I did the same with my friends and family years back (about 5 years ago) it's been great
I gave up on signal just because when I swapped none of my friends did, so therefore, there's no reason for me to use it because I'm just partying by myself.
Being said if you got people to actually go with you then I wouldn't feel bad about it because obviously they wouldn't have swapped if they didn't want to.
over here in America, we had a friend in our group that outright refused to switch to signal. Not to make it seem like it's the only factor, but that friend is no longer around, and we all use Signal.
Fossify isn't encrypted. It looks worse than RCS.
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How about Matrix? (Element X)
I had everyone move to matrix and it was really a struggle to keep it working and usable, and now we switched to Signal which is a much easier user experience.
What was your main problems?
Mainly recovery key issues, notifications which suddenly didn't appear as they used to, and downtime. But I can't say eactly what it was, I just know that everyone is more happy with Signal.
How long time ago was this?
A couple of months back? Maximum 6.
It's not like you cut their phone wires, should they need it for something they can just use it (as sometimes it's unavoidable). But this way important and private stuff will remain as such, we don't want Zuckerbot to get a hold of grandma's secret recipe, do we?
no retreat, no surrender
You're doing them a favor by displacing some of the data that Meta would otherwise have on them
If you leave them to choose between WhatsApp and Signal, they'll pick what they already have and what they're familiar with. I deleted WhatsApp after they introduced MetaAI, and told people close to me, that they could only message me using Signal going forward. Just make sure you support people that have difficulty installing and using the app. When removing malware from my grandma's smartphone, I also made sure to install Signal, and she now comfortably contacts me through it for minor things. It's not like you're inconveniencing them much: it's just an app installation and basic setup, while the workflow is nearly identical; especially if you allow them to find you through your phone number (which I have disabled).
It isn't an argument, because there are almost 50 chat alternatives out there, it's like saying you have to use VW or BMW. To communicate with unknown people there are forums or an fediverse instance like Lemmy or Mastodon, If you want to communicate with your friends or family any of the above proposed chats is enough, or use your phone for what it is, to make a call (yes, this finction still works in smartphones without any app).
It's your right to avoid for-profit and invasive platforms (especially from companies famous for causing addictions and mental health problems), and it's their choice to switch if they want to communicate with you more easily. I'm in a similar boat with Discord.
They say it's not an issue for them,
So you think your family and friends are liars and shouldn't be trusted?
No way
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OR carry on using WhatsApp on Beeper for now. https://www.beeper.com/ You can start using Signal and WhatsApp at the same time using Beeper, and start a slower transition by convincing your contacts to do the same.
Signal is good. In the meantime, check out Prav.
I think XMPP is great, but if we can't get those closest to us to even use Signal, I don't think an even more convoluted system will be easier. What makes Prav different from all the other XMPP apps? Edit: Never mind. The convenience of using a phone number is the difference. Which is no doubt easier.
It sounds innovative, but at a subscription I don't know about that one, chief.
Any benefit you gain in being able to use a phone number is going to be thrown out because I don't think anyone's going to pay for a messaging client.
You can leave the install both apps and use them both independent of each other. Signal for private conversations. WhatsApp for utility.
It's not as easy to answer as all these comments suggest and especially when it come to contact with family and friends. Honestly you've done well to get some to switch but I would personally keep WhatsApp for now as backup and see how it goes with Signal.
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