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Hopefully I’ve worded the question right.

I was once told (I could never verify if it was true) that a crocs company once almost went bankrupt after they made their crocs practically indestructible. Whilst the story was most likely bullshit, it makes me wonder: if a company can make a product that is practically indestructible, is it ethical for them not to make them indestructible, so people will buy more from them?

The way I look at it is, on one hand, I feel like they should make products to the highest quality if they can so that the consumer has to spend less money and that less is wasted, but at the same time if it leads to the company going bankrupt, what of the workers and their families? So I can’t decide, what do you think?

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 minutes ago

Welcome to end stage capitalism, where the only rule is line go up. Line go up when you use fewer materials. That's why everything is shitty now.

[–] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

There are companies that went broke by making their product indestructible, a notable example being the maker of the wildly popular Instant Pot. They made a product that just didn't break. This is called planned obsolescence failure and has happened to other companies too.

That being said, making flimsy shit on purpose is shady at best.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

The real reason was private equity

Private equity made things a lot worse. In 2019, Instant Brands was acquired by Cornell Capital and unceremoniously merged with Corelle Brands, a housewares company that includes Pyrex. An acquisition by a private equity firm brings certain expectations with it—namely: lots and lots of fast growth.

https://www.bonappetit.com/story/instant-pot-bankrupt

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 52 minutes ago

Corelle/Pyrex is its own story of going from the best product to "good enough". Simple point, if you find yourself some old stuff of theirs, hang on to it because you can't find anything comparable anymore. Same can probably be true of other old brands of products. I found an old Whirlpool dryer that I won't ever let go of for the same reason. What will eventually fail on it I can either fix or buy a new, cheap part.

[–] JapaneseJudas@fedinsfw.app 2 points 54 minutes ago

Right. Like I also hate capitalism as it exists today, but it is definitely possible to make a living making GOOD products. You just can't make billions doing it. Even if the product was LITERALLY indestructible, people will lose them, plus they're always making new people. It's just a lot slower than if you make a shit product people have to keep replacing

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 13 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The company that made instant pot actually went bankrupt because it was acquired by private equity via leveraged buyout.

What you're telling is the story the evil assholes that profit from that kind of thing want you to believe.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

This is why capitalism is stupid at its core. It doesn't promote anything good. It only promotes greed and enriching the top. Make the shittiest product you possibly can that people will buy, buy out every other maker of product, repopulate the sector with fake brands to give people illusion of choice.

Oldest trick in the book. And literally not 1 person I know can see through this trickery.

In capitalism making a long lasting good product is not viable at all, it makes no sense. Who gives a shit if your great grandkid is still using your oven 60 years later, the shareholders dont benefit then. Out of business. Its an idiotic system kept alive only by propaganda.

Won't any one think of the shareholders!!

[–] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

this is a failure of consumerism, materialism and greed. not capitalism.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 38 minutes ago

"True capitalism has never been tried" heeheehee :p

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 hour ago

Those are all byproducts of unregulated capitalism.

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yeah it’s a right dilemma. Because on one hand, I feel like they should make products to the highest quality if they can so that the consumer has to spend less money, but at the same time if it leads to the company going bankrupt, what of the workers and their families?

[–] Switorik@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Think about all the waste that cheap products create. I can buy a cheap pair of work boots twice a year or a good pair every 2/3 years. I believe it's unethical for preying on the poor while also creating more waste.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. ... A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. ... But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.

Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 44 minutes ago

Haha the first thing I thought of. The finest literary example of representing economics with boots!

True that waste is also a factor in this.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 40 minutes ago
[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

If everyone built them at the highest quality, then every product would be at the highest price point.

Each reduction in quality makes that product available to more people who couldn't afford it otherwise.

Eventually, the only way to put the product in everybody's hands is to make it so cheap that it only works once, if you're lucky.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

lower quality products are not always cheaper to produce.

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 2 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

Can you provide an example please?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 38 minutes ago

sneakers of all kinds. the materials and manufacture is essentially the same. its all marketing bs.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 minutes ago

The highest price points for many items are luxury brands that sell for hundreds to thousands of times the actual cost of manufacture.

Eventually, the only way to put the product in everybody's hands is to make it so cheap that it only works once, if you're lucky.

And yet everybody (or close enough) in the world today has a smartphone that generally will last at least a year or two. (Set aside countries that are screwed up because of their govt, that's another issue entirely). There are lots of things that could be supplied to every person on earth if capitalism wasn't fucked.

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If everyone built them at the highest quality, then every product would be at the highest price point

I’ll be honest, I didn’t even think of that point. Thanks for sharing, interesting perspective.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

Not too long ago, TVs were so expensive that most people rented them.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago

Yes, particularly if you're the company creating the "In case of emergency, break glass" boxes.

[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Short, sweet and to the point. I like it. I also like more detailed answers also.

Edit: I clearly also like overusing the word also, also.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It really depends on the product Id think. For an extreme example, a packaging company making packaging that does not degrade after a reasonable time contributes to landfill waste in a way that a packaging that eventually breaks down would be less responsible for.

If a product's useful life is limited by some other fundamental reason to the thing simply breaking (I don't mean planned obsolescence here, but more objects only needs for a certain period of time and which customers are almost certain to throw out afterwards), then making the product last longer than needed just turns the extra material needed to get that robustness into extra waste.

If we are talking planned obsolescence, that reasoning flips around to making longer lasting stuff cause less waste obviously, though nothing is truly needed for or able to last forever so there is always going to be a point where making the thing tougher is not going to help the end user any further.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 1 points 11 minutes ago

I was thinking about getting better quality shorts this year, but I’ve got a two year old. I decided I’ll get old navy shorts for 2 more years, because the risk of getting a stain I can’t remove on them is pretty high still

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (2 children)

That's a toughie. Go broke with morals or get rich being unethical.

If you started a business and was faced with the same situation, what do you think you would do? Personally, I think I would focus on the money over time

I’m not sure tbh. That’s kind of why I asked the question, and hopefully other’s views may shed light on this ‘issue’

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What’s your opinion then?

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

I said it's a toughie. Gun to my head, I'd probs say it depends on what the product was and it's overall impact.

Furniture designed to break after a year = shitty.

Fast fashion = much shittier considering its larger environmental footprint.