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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 13 points 44 minutes ago (2 children)

Imagine how this would disempower landlords if you could commute to either of those cities from anywhere between them.

Car dependency is about power, it's about keeping workers vulnerable and reliant on constant employment to participate in society. The one thing the US and Canada has over other imperial powers is the obscene amount of space each state has at its disposal within the metropole with which to construct what really is an exceptional form of oppression. It's important to recognize that when you're talking about ending car dependency, this is an existential threat to either power, and they will treat it in kind.

There is convenience in the ineptitude of neoliberal politics in state-planning and infrastructure, which most people attribute as the cause of this development, but it's crucial to remember that suburban sprawl and car dependency were state projects by the US and Canada in very much they same way neoliberal privatization is.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

America is just a collection of subscription fees you must pay in order to survive. You need a car, rent, groceries, and bills at the bare minimum so you must have a job or you will die in the street.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 36 minutes ago

Car dependency is about power

BAM

[–] hemmetti@lemmy.world 6 points 41 minutes ago

Well… you must remember, they are Ameicans, trains are COMMUNISM!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 45 minutes ago

Other than the NIMBY-ism, lawyers all looking to make a shitload of money off the taxpayer by looking for reasons to delay the project, and the anti-mass transit attitude the US has…just look at the California high speed rail project mired in legal grifting for instance.

There’s generic American “we fuck up nice things becuase fuck the rules” attitudes. You can have nice high-speed rail in places like Europe or Japan, or high speed driving on segments of the Autobahn, because society has enough sense to not fuck it up. They’re not parking tractor trailers or cars on rail intersections causing crashes on rail like we have all the time in the US. People generally obey rules like keeping right unless passing, or not blocking the passing lane in Europe. In several shopping areas and airports they have people movers without steps that are ramps betwen floors. In the US it would be a very short period between the installation and some fool riding a skateboard or bike down the ramp and hurting themselves or other people - then come the lawsuits. Someone would probably punch an idiot trying to do that in Europe.

So yeah. Even if we could muster the political balls to build such a needed rail, and get the money for it (because it would have to be profitable of course), some jackass would light the track on fire, park a car on it, or who knows what other dumbassery, because fuck nice things.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Wow. Now that's something I would very much want my tax money go to, any day at any country

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Musk is at it again, pitching a hyperloop tunnel to link Austin and San Antonio. Nevermind that it’s a ton of limestone and aquifers along that route.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 1 points 7 minutes ago

How's that Vegas loop working? Last I heard it's faster to walk.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

Imagine the new residential and commercial opportunities (and taxes) along that rail as well. Oh well, will never happen as long as republicans are alive and voting.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 98 points 3 hours ago (27 children)

Fuck Maglev.

Regular ass trains on steel tracks can go >200mph if built to spec. Suuuure, maglev can go even faster. But regular ass trains on steel tracks can actually be build on a realistic budget. Like in theory atleast. But before the US does something this sane they're gonna nuke themselves. idk

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Regular ass train gang. Let's stop trying to reinvent something that already works way better than whatever half ass bullshit you thought about for a couple hours.

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 1 points 25 minutes ago

Well my train has blackjack and hookers

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 64 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Maglev isn't even more expensive. High speed rails that are built "to spec" for 400 km/h are expensive as fuck. Trains are usually shorter but frequency is higher, so per passenger it roughly evens out.

The real deal breaker is the lack of compatibility. Can't ever run a maglev train on legacy rail while your high speed train can use the existing system to bridge gaps in the high speed network.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 18 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

also, monorails of any sort are harder to switch than dual-rail lines, making the networks less flexible.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 22 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well sir, there's nothing on Earth like a genuine, bona-fide, electrified, six-car monorail!

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[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We need a rail line that is strictly for commuters. Right now the rails are owned by freight companies so they prioritize freight over people. Yes we do have the infrastructure to initiate high speed rails, but those rails are used for objects not people.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago

Tbh they don't even prioritize the freight, that went away with psr

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 3 points 58 minutes ago

Also like, magnets get destroyed in water, so how do you deal with rain? /s

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 27 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

There's no profit in building sensible infrastructure.

Only profit in endless wars against brown people

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There's lots of profit in building infrastructure. There's little profit in finishing it. That's why in US or UK you get endless construction projects that cost billions but never deliver anything useful.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Car infrastructure has lower up-front costs, but much higher lifetime costs than rail. That's the real profit making scheme here. That, plus you have to buy a car to opt-in, which is a major expense and one that has to be made every 5-15 years.

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 points 48 minutes ago

Except there is plenty of profit in the form of increased commerce. Indirect profit is something corporations and government struggles with. Line will go up after this is built. Which takes more than a fucking quarter

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Fascism is fully invested in genocide.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 12 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Since this is directed at the American people asking why they don't have or want this, they do. They have for decades. Just as an example look at the history of high speed rail in Florida. It was put to a public vote on the ballot at least once, overwhelming voted for, and the politicians said (laughingly)... "Oh no. No, we can't afford to do the will of the people. Sorry." Then spent the same amount elsewhere probably. So, that's why.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Florida passed it once, under Jeb Bush, who was against it, and simply said No. The voters wanted it bad enough that they voted on it again, and passed it with wide bipartisan support, because it was a no-brainer. Private funds were going to build it, and cover all construction overruns. Then they would operate it for a decade, to get it running, then once it had 10 years of experience under its belt, it would be handed over the state to run, presumably at a profit by then. It would have been the root of a high speed rail system that would run up the east coast, and then start spreading west. It wasn't going to cost the taxpayers a penny, and everybody wanted it, which is why it passed TWICE!

Jeb was dragging his feet, and then Convicted Criminal Rick Scott got elected, and immediately killed it, despite NEVER mentioning in his campaign a single time. It outraged people so badly, that there was talk of a recall, but it turns out the Florida legislature had passed a law prohibiting recalls, after Jeb Bush helped his brother cheat his way into the presidency in 2000. He must have been worried that the Democrats would come after him for cheating, but he vastly overestimated the Democrats courage.

So Convicted Criminal Rick Scott got elected, and killed the high speed rail deal, but by the end of his second term, he allowed a new normal speed rail line between Miami and Orlando that nobody uses, because why would they?

Oh, and by the way, Convicted Criminal Rock Scott had a 3% investment stake in the NEW rail line. He didn't have any investment in the one he killed, that everybody wanted. Which explains everything you need to know about Convicted Criminal Rick Scott, who will be running for president in 2028. He wants to eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and ALL social safety nets, and every word he says is a lie, his ONLY priority is using his office to increase his net worth, he LOVES insider trading and loudly opposes any restrictions on it, and every word he says is a lie.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 minutes ago

I can confirm this is pretty accurate. I voted for the high speed rail twice as did most people because it was a great idea and would have worked surprisingly well in FL. The repeated line of shitbag evil governors and their majority in the state congress stopped anything good from happening and allowed the continued grifting.

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[–] NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

It would make less money doing the same amount of work, and in America we only want to generate value for the share holder.

[–] eksb@programming.dev 25 points 3 hours ago (17 children)

These trains would run at capacity all the time, being full of New Yorkers going to Chicago to get good pizza and immediately returning.

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[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

This is doable, we just have to convince our leaders is bad for the environment, will hurt brown people, will get them filthy rich and also paint them fake gold and put Drumpfs name on each train

So yea, no,

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