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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 24 minutes ago (3 children)

I find the hardest issue with trains is getting to the smaller side destinations. I guess you're still gonna need a small car or bike for that of course. Plus I'm used to semi rural so I'd still have to drive a few miles to even get on the train to go somewhere. And it wouldnt make any sense for going to a friends house for example.

No idea how it works really. Plus I'm almost always hauling gear to a destination so a train wouldnt work for me anyway. Going to get groceries is about the only thing I'd use it for and I wouldnt be able to carry an entire cartload.

[–] destructdisc@lemmy.world 7 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

Plus I'm almost always hauling gear to a destination so a train wouldnt work for me anyway. Going to get groceries is about the only thing I'd use it for and I wouldnt be able to carry an entire cartload.

Commuter trains in Europe and Asia have dedicated spaces for riders to store stuff they need to haul. People in my city bring entire truckloads of stuff on board the dedicated freight spaces at the end of each train car.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 minutes ago

Ive never seen that but that makes sense !

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 minutes ago (1 children)

I think you're imagining that the suggestion being put forward is that they'd just build that one train line, and everything else would stay exactly the same?

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 minutes ago

Haha no, that would be rediculous. I'm just saying its very hard to imagine my life with trains and how that actually factors into daily life.

The only time ive been on trains/subways is vacationing to big cities, where I still had a rental car but parked far from the city and rode the train in. That was fine and all for touristy things.

For 98% of people in huge cities I can see it. For every person I know IRL, it would not work. The suburban nightmare alone with people with 4 kids trying to get them to school alone wouldnt work. You'd basically have to tear down and rebuild all of suburbia. Not that I'm opposed to that, just leave me out of the city myself.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 3 points 5 minutes ago (1 children)

I find the hardest issue with trains is getting to the smaller side destinations. I guess you’re still gonna need a small car or bike for that of course

That's the same with airports. And actually no big deal if you have working public transport. You arrive in the city center. And then there are local trains, street cars and busses to bring you into every part of the city or to nearby smaller towns

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 minutes ago

Yep makes sense !

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

BigOil would like to have a word.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 5 points 45 minutes ago

Elon would like to have a word

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

More like three and a half hours if you want an actually usefull line that stops.at places where people wanna stop at and you add the time needed to accelerate and decelerate but yeah. Also thats calculating with 500kmh which is very much cutting edge and constructing a line like that takes decades BUT that doesnt mean such investments arent worth it and also just fixing transport within a city is already worth it.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 46 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine how this would disempower landlords if you could commute to either of those cities from anywhere between them.

Car dependency is about power, it's about keeping workers vulnerable and reliant on constant employment to participate in society. The one thing the US and Canada has over other imperial powers is the obscene amount of space each state has at its disposal within the metropole with which to construct what really is an exceptional form of oppression. It's important to recognize that when you're talking about ending car dependency, this is an existential threat to either power, and they will treat it in kind.

There is convenience in the ineptitude of neoliberal politics in state-planning and infrastructure, which most people attribute as the cause of this development, but it's crucial to remember that suburban sprawl and car dependency were state projects by the US and Canada in very much they same way neoliberal privatization is.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

America is just a collection of subscription fees you must pay in order to survive. You need a car, rent, groceries, and bills at the bare minimum so you must have a job or you will die in the street.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 points 13 minutes ago

It’s the same everywhere. Not just American thing.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago

you must have a job or you will die in the street

And here's the punchline: no more jobs!

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Yes, and it's important to identify why that happens and how it functions, not satisfy ourselves with the certainty that it is bad, or unjust, or unreasonable; which many of these posts end up doing.

The US is the way it is because that is what settler-colonialism and capitalism require to continue. Even when there were periods of "reform," such as the labour and state policies of the welfare liberal era in the 1930s-40s (which is how suburbanism and car dependency came about), or the civil rights movements of the mid- to late-twentieth century (which is how neoliberalism and the liberal appropriation of social justice was achieved), victories in reform are inevitably eroded by these fundamental imperatives.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

And it's all shit that should be paid for with our taxes. But instead, they need to use that money to bomb kids on the other side of the planet.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Car dependency is about power

BAM

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 4 points 58 minutes ago

Many reasons, all of them stupid and/or depressing.

Many are downstream from racism.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 33 minutes ago

Americans couldn't realize that having a child rapist as their head of state was a bad thing.

[–] hemmetti@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well… you must remember, they are Ameicans, trains are COMMUNISM!

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Also, the train might bring darker-skinned individuals to my neighborhood. Can't be having that.

~/s~

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wow. Now that's something I would very much want my tax money go to, any day at any country

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 42 minutes ago

Sorry. Best we can do is shoot millions of dollars of missiles into elementary schools.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

Other than the NIMBY-ism, lawyers all looking to make a shitload of money off the taxpayer by looking for reasons to delay the project, and the anti-mass transit attitude the US has…just look at the California high speed rail project mired in legal grifting for instance.

There’s generic American “we fuck up nice things becuase fuck the rules” attitudes. You can have nice high-speed rail in places like Europe or Japan, or high speed driving on segments of the Autobahn, because society has enough sense to not fuck it up. They’re not parking tractor trailers or cars on rail intersections causing crashes on rail like we have all the time in the US. People generally obey rules like keeping right unless passing, or not blocking the passing lane in Europe. In several shopping areas and airports they have people movers without steps that are ramps betwen floors. In the US it would be a very short period between the installation and some fool riding a skateboard or bike down the ramp and hurting themselves or other people - then come the lawsuits. Someone would probably punch an idiot trying to do that in Europe.

So yeah. Even if we could muster the political balls to build such a needed rail, and get the money for it (because it would have to be profitable of course), some jackass would light the track on fire, park a car on it, or who knows what other dumbassery, because fuck nice things.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Musk is at it again, pitching a hyperloop tunnel to link Austin and San Antonio. Nevermind that it’s a ton of limestone and aquifers along that route.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago

How's that Vegas loop working? Last I heard it's faster to walk.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 129 points 4 hours ago (30 children)

Fuck Maglev.

Regular ass trains on steel tracks can go >200mph if built to spec. Suuuure, maglev can go even faster. But regular ass trains on steel tracks can actually be build on a realistic budget. Like in theory atleast. But before the US does something this sane they're gonna nuke themselves. idk

[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We need a rail line that is strictly for commuters. Right now the rails are owned by freight companies so they prioritize freight over people. Yes we do have the infrastructure to initiate high speed rails, but those rails are used for objects not people.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago

Tbh they don't even prioritize the freight, that went away with psr

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 27 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Regular ass train gang. Let's stop trying to reinvent something that already works way better than whatever half ass bullshit you thought about for a couple hours.

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 75 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Maglev isn't even more expensive. High speed rails that are built "to spec" for 400 km/h are expensive as fuck. Trains are usually shorter but frequency is higher, so per passenger it roughly evens out.

The real deal breaker is the lack of compatibility. Can't ever run a maglev train on legacy rail while your high speed train can use the existing system to bridge gaps in the high speed network.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I don’t know why you would want compatibility. The Shinkansen is also always on their own track. Air planes aren’t compatible with train tracks either, so if you look at it more from a perspective of what they’re trying to replace I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

I think it’s also mainly the start up and build costs, I think the wear of the rails of high speed trains on wheels is very costly

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 37 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

There's no profit in building sensible infrastructure.

Only profit in endless wars against brown people

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