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Does anyone have experience with doing this in germany?

Thanks for any answers

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[–] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In Belgium, just next to it, I know someone who was doing tons of torrenting and sharing with friends and family back in 2005-2010 time and got prosecuted for his piracy (like 5 years after he was doing it) and had to pay huge fines as a young adult from what he did as a teenager. He definitely wasn't using a VPN and probably port forwarding and openly sharing back in those days. It definitely happens. (Not Germany but neighbors)

Just get and use a VPN with a client kill switch. Paying 50-100€ per year is much cheaper than 10k in fines down the line, and don't share it with anyone outside of your household.

[–] dhkuq3645@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

well but he seeded a lot

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd rather VPN to some EU country east of Berlin if I were you.

Slovakia has some copyright laws but they're not that strictly enforced. Also no c&d letter equivalent has arrived to my physical inbox for what I've done on the Internet.

[–] SoGrumpy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I received a notification for downloading something I didn't download - I'm not even interested in it. Went to court, court said it was my IP and I had to pay. 1500€ for something I didn't download. In Germany you have to prove innocence, which is impossible if all you can say is "It wasn't me."

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From what I've heard from my German friends the network owner, so the one paying the isp bill, is responsible for whatever happens on the network. If someone broke in onto your network and downloaded illegal stuff, you are still liable for the fines as you should have protected your network sufficiently. Maybe you can get away with it if you are able to present hard evidence your sufficiently protected network was broken in to.

It's the same with speed cam tickets. If you prove in court someone else was driving your car, you won't have to pay the fine. If you are unable to, you are liable.

Imo it goes against the law. There's this thing called "innocent until proven guilty", so the burden of proof lies with the authorities, not with you. But sadly it's not always the case. This did cause a lot of legal fights though, and to my knowledge this caused the German police to flash cars from the front now, so the driver would be visible in the photo in most situations.

[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Germany does not have "innocent until proven guilty". It has "guilty until someone else is proven guilty". They will always find someone who has to pay compensation. There is no "we don't know who did it because of an anonymizer service", they will just make the anonymizer service pay instead.

Except when law says they don't have to. Right now the law is that registered service providers can't be fined on behalf of their customers, and there isn't a law saying they have to be able to identify the customers. So VPNs get by.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or just ignore it. If you actually read it, it never says anything about you being in trouble at that moment, but it's intentionally worded to invoke that fear.

Toss it in the bin, and use a VPN or Usenet.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Nah unless they're at the door with the cops, all threats are empty.

Edit for clarification: I meant threats in cases of piracy like the one this post is about.

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