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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 65 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Have they tried building a society people actually want to participate in?

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 19 points 1 day ago

They've tried every change in society except the ones that go against the interests of the rich.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"If you build it they will come"

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

"If you build it, they won't pull out when they come."

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean they're sorta trying to do that. They're calling for effectively more immigration and listening to younger people and women rather than just having a bunch of old dudes decide everything. They've kinda got a lot of problems that have piled up though (economy, work culture, shrinking rural communities, etc.).

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're calling for effectively more immigration

That doesn't match with the recent election of hard anti-immigrant majority.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What I said was literally from the article. This is about an association of governors, not parliament.

Also, I'm assuming you're talking about Sanseito, which does not have a majority. The recent election just gave them more seats (which isn't great obviously, but is very different from them controlling parliament). Note that when I say "more seats," I mean it went from 1 to like 15 or something out of 250 or so.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't sound like they are:

Japan’s far-right populist Sanseito party was one of the biggest winners in the weekend’s upper house election, attracting many voters with its “Japanese First” platform that included calling for tougher restrictions on foreigners and the curtailment of gender equality and diversity policies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-a-far-right-japanese-first-party-made-big-election-gains/ar-AA1J6PrW

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

I like how no one actually reads the article that's posted.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Earth's population was meant to decline. Degrowth of a sort, because 8 billion is too many.

Why have children when their future is guarenteed to be fucked?

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

8 billion people isnt too many people if resources were used appropriately and we had less severe inequality. The real issue is that of the 8 billion people on earth, way too many of them are on the older side and no society has a good plan to deal with it. South Korea has been doing some interesting things with turning children’s infrastructure, like elementary schools and daycares, into daycare for aging seniors. Theres a lot of overlap in the need for physically safe environments and their recreational activities, so it makes sense. But its not a holistic solution

The world population is virtually guaranteed to cap out at about 10B people in 2050 or so before entering decline, and at that point virtually every country in the world will be dealing with the same issue Japan, South Korea, Italy, etc are dealing with right now. There wont be enough young people to care for the old people because the majority of countries are already seeing below replacement level births right now.

As much as people think overpopulation is an issue, we will never have to deal with that problem. The problem we will actually have to deal with is steep population decline, caused by periods in the past where some or almost all countries had birth levels well over necessary replacement levels

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Agreed with all that except that I think 8 billion is way too damned high. 73% of the animals on this planet have disappeared since I was was born, and back then we had "only" 3.7 billion people. I've seen radical declines in my local ecosystem in just the last 5 years. That's in a hood on the very edge of town, surrounded by rivers, creeks, woods and swamps.

People blame global warming, but that's very recent and only the tip of the iceberg. Human activity is directly killing everything.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't want my children or anyone elses to take care of me, or other old folks. No one should place that burden on our youth. When it's time, its time. I'm reminded of a friend who had to take leave off work because his dad was in a home and couldn't feed himself and they had insufficient staff to care for the old folks feedings and washings. What a disgusting way to live. I'll never be that burden on anyone.

I'll take care of myself and when I can't do that anymore I'll take care of myself. ಠ_ಠ

With any luck, society will learn sensible limits to eldercare.

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You do you. After slaving away to support the capitalist utopia for 50 years, if all I need it someone to come by and stuff some mashed potatoes in my mouth and I'm not otherwise in any pain or hardship, that seems like a reasonable enough trade to me.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you can't stuff mashed potatoes in your own mouth, what are you living for?

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe friendship or family?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Fair. If you don't mind being a burden on your loves ones, that's a choice. I won't, and that's my choice.

[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Good fucking reasons, too

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We don't have too many people!

We have too many greedy and sociopathic people. We currently have the tech and knowledge to provide (of course not over night) for every human... While also protecting and restoring the environment. We don't have a space or resource problem. We have a economic system(s) and morality problem.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, we do have too many. While we could provide for 8 billion, that many humans is destroying our ecosystems.

https://old.lemmy.world/comment/18418326

World population has more than doubled in my lifetime. Society might be able to support 8 billion, the planet cannot.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Because when western society says too many people, they mean too many POC. I know you mean everyone should be having less children, but it's impossible to apply that logic equally everywhere. Improve everyone's standards (through wealth equity) of living and the population will naturally reduce then stabilize.

[–] Feddinat0r@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Thats something i think of daily, and i have 2 kids.

It was a mistake, i am sorry for them, for their future.

[–] beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago

Gotta eat the L.reuteri yoghurt. It rejuvenated my stomach.