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  1. Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

  2. Why don't we raise the speed limit if that's how fast everyone wants to go?

  3. Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

  4. Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I'm going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

It's a serious confusion I have about how society is supposed to operate because it seems like a complete and total breakdown of logic and sense.

And, yes, I know there's some thing people did long ago to set the speed limit at some percentile of what people were already traveling at, but that's obviously a stupid way to do it and we did it anyway. So why?

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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Ignoring largely empty stretches or highways where there's practically no signs, have you seen how many signs are out there on heavily occupied highways?

We're just coming out of Gulfport Mississippi, Highway 49 (don't worry I'm riding passenger, not driving), and it's pure information overload. When you're surrounded by like 500 signs, McDonald's, Circle K, RaceTrac, Shell, Chevron, this and that doctor's office, etc, and you're only looking for the BIG signs to see what exit to take, well its all too easy to miss the random speed limit sign that they don't even post but once every 3 miles or so.

When surrounded by signage information overload, while you're supposed to be keeping your eyes on the road, you simply cannot read every damn sign. You mostly keep your eyes on the road and follow whatever the pace of traffic is, only glancing up and around for the green signs with road names and highway/interstate directions.

The rule of thumb I've learned, is that no matter the posted speed limit, as long as you're driving safely about the pace of traffic, and aren't the idiot darting through 20mph faster than everyone else, then the cops generally aren't gonna mess with you.

School zones are definitely an exception, you better be going 15mph along with everyone else, and of course following the directions of the traffic guards and bus stop signals when to stop.

TL;DR - Too much information, cannot read all signs and keep eyes on the road simultaneously.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should be able to pick road signs out of the clutter though - clutter makes it harder for sure but signs have specific shapes and colours to make them identifiable

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why yes, I totally agree. But when the roads are black/gray/white, most of the cars are black/gray/white, and the speed limit signs are black/white, well grayscale blends altogether, while your only practical color focuses are on red/yellow/green.

Tell ya what, if they made speed limit signs with a hot pink background, and only exclusively speed limit signs, then I bet people would notice and pay attention much more rapidly.

US 49 & Martin Luther King Jr Blvd, Gulfport, MS 39501

^ Go ahead and look that intersection up on Google Maps/Earth and follow that intersection North on Street View, and tell me that shit ain't ridiculously cluttered with information overload...

Edit: Follow that route on Google Street View, tell me how many speed limit signs there are from that intersection to Interstate 10..

Only one, like ~2-3 miles after said intersection, just before the I10 onramp heading east. So the whole time for miles, you don't even know the speed limit.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Because life is better when rules aren't draconian and cruel.

[–] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A lot to unpack here. Many reasons for all. Since I'm typing with my thumbs, and this will be a long one, I'll be glossing over some details.

Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

There are many reasons, but the two biggest are:

  1. The systemic issue road design often not reflecting the safe speed of that road.
  2. The systemic issue of traffic enforcement also being a means of fundraising for police, thus making only the "big" tickets worth their time.

Why don’t we raise the speed limit if that’s how fast everyone wants to go?

The better option is to design roads such that a lower speed feels more appropriate to the given conditions.

Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police

The systemic issue of US police being trained to believe they're warriors in battle, thus many of them seeing traffic enforcement as not worth their time. The better question is, why are law enforcement and traffic enforcement carried out by the same people?

instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

The US Constitution guarantees the accused the right to face and question their accuser in a court of law. Rules of court procedure guarantee a witness cannot offer evidence to an event they didn't personally witness. This makes prosecution via camera problematic; the camera can't be called into court for questioning and no person personally witnessed the event occur.

Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I’m going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

The systemic issue of widespread corruption, resulting in projects being completed as cheaply as possible, as opposed to as effectively as possible. Proper measures requires hiring engineers to determine what's needed and then installing them. Every dollar spent on that is a dollar their friend who was contracted for the project can't pocket and donate during their next campaign.

US Americans aren't stupid. Their government has been captured by corrupt officials and oligarchs who are making money off the status quo.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This makes prosecution via camera problematic; the camera can’t be called into court for questioning and no person personally witnessed the event occur.

By this logic you can't accuse someone in a situation where your only evidence is security camera footage. That may be the case? Either way it's just one of a plethora of examples of how wonky the US justice system is.

  • We have security camera footage of the murder.
  • Too bad the camera can't witness in court and the only other witness (the victim) is dead.

Interaction dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

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[–] Undoobitably@fedinsfw.app 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's because the speed limit is set to the lowest common denominator. Same way a fleet of ships can only go fast as the slowest ship. Most people can drive faster safely.

It's also to make sure the law can always find sonething to use against you when they decide you need to be punished for standing up for yourself.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Most people can drive faster safely

I'm not sure where you're from but around my neck of the woods, this is NOT the case.

[–] nitrolife@hikki.team 2 points 1 day ago

I'm not from the USA, but I also hear this question often, so here it is:

Mainly because people behind the wheel have absolutely different driving experiences and reaction speeds. What is safe enough for you is not safe at all for a beginner driver or a senior citizen. Public roads are therefore public because they allow everyone, which means limits must be set according to the worst driver in the sample.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
  1. Go fast

  2. Go faster

  3. Allows for invasive searching that cannot be performed by a static object

  4. Go fast but circle means slow

Thanks for attending my TED Talk.

[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 1 points 1 day ago
  1. Because the ratio of drivers to law enforcement allows it.
  2. How speed limits are decided is very complicated. What people "want" isn't the top priority.
  3. Because automated cameras are owned by profit-seeking entities with zero incentive to handle this data appropriately. See: recent Flock abuses as examples.
  4. Those exist but, once again, the ratio of signage to driver is poor.

Most of your questions also are rooted in what appears to be a lack of appreciation for just how huge the USA is. We can't possibly police all of it and there are very, very good reasons why we shouldn't even try. Especially with the current demented leadership.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. because they feel they can get away with it
  2. because no matter what you raise it to people will drive a bit over it.
  3. cameras are still a relatively new thing and people hate them due to privacy issues and lack of discretion.
  4. because the us is stupid when it comes to limiting cars.
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

cameras are still a relatively new thing and people hate them due to privacy issues and lack of discretion.

Meanwhile Germany:

(Speedtrap columm)

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