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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 45 minutes ago

Real answer?

People who have access to the tools use it to do tasks they want to avoid. Sally from the civil team doesn't work in mines or under the ocean, but she does spend way too much time on PowerPoint slides and emails she doesn't actually care about. So she has Claude handle it so she can focus on her other work.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 1 points 29 minutes ago

Did this meme come from Facebook?

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

We have robots doing the dangerous jobs in this meme. Its just they don't do 100% of the work. They also don't do 100% of knowledge work either to this day. If you have an AI make you a power point and then you don't edit it and do quality assurance on it you are going to have one jank ass powerpoint.

Even if the crazy miracles its doing with decomp & recomp work on video games lately: that still requires a ton of human involvement.

They might eventually be able to do 100% of physical labor though. And 100% of knowledge work. They just are not there yet. The former requires use to have enough physical materials though.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Because we hid all that shit, so there's no digital data to mimic or copy from.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

But…robots are doing all three of those things?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The very premise of this meme is ridiculous.

Mining was one of the earliest adopters of automation. "Robots" have been doing mining jobs for decades, for centuries if you are generous with how you define "robot". Mining companies keep searching for any job they can automate. Even the guys who drive the enormous mine trucks were replaced when they found they could let a machine drive the trucks instead.

The only difference is that nobody yet knew how to automate "knowledge work". The latest generation of AI can simulate knowledge work, which apparently is good enough for some jobs. But, the fact that it hasn't yet taken some of the few remaining mining and chemistry jobs is a clue that it has severe limitations.

Sure, you can automate the creation of powerpoint presentations, which is "knowledge work", but is there a mining company that is willing to fire the guy who supervises the robots and replace him with ChatGPT? These are ruthless profit-driven companies. If AI could do that guy's job, he'd be unemployed.

[–] Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Current LLMs are limited by the fact that they can't train during inference. i.e. They can't learn. If we find something better than backpropagation or diffusion, then things are going to actually be different. At that point, the models would be able to compose ideas together instead of just predict the next token in sequence based on previous training.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 minutes ago

Current LLMs are limited by the fact that they can’t train during inference. i.e. They can’t learn

Learning is much more than just training during inference.

True unsupervised learning is still in its infancy, and requires a completely different architecture than the current fancy auto-suggest boom. Unsupervised learning has been the dream since at least the 1950s when AI was an aspiration, even before transistors existed. Nobody has figured out how to do it yet.

If pigs learn to fly, then things are going to actually be different.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

If you consider LLMs to be robots I guess? I don’t think robots are writing emails, like a robot is not sitting down at a keyboard and typing out emails in your average office, or any office at any scale really

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not anywhere near at equivalent scale.

"Artisanal Mining" (ie, press-ganged children forced into mine work in conflict zones) continues to be a lucrative industry in a way freelance accounting or contracting increasingly is not.

Automation is coming for the high margin jobs, while leaving humans to the low margin manual labor.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

You're comparing slavery to paying for skilled labor tho

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Are you nuts, those robots are expensive. We don't want to get them dirty.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

It gets hot in there too

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, I recently watched some chinese robots dancing on america's got talent. What a world. smh.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

turns out, a lot of manual labour tasks are too complex to automate easily. even if the work is repetitive and seems like it would be simple, there's a lot of things that you can't just stick a robot into and have it work

computer tasks, on the other hand.. it's a lot easier, and there's much better training data, and the stakes are theoretically (and often in practice) lower.

now, as for WHY we're not globally prioritizing automating the dangerous stuff completely, that'd be because money, I imagine

edit: I'm referring to semi-autonomous robots here, not general automation. automation in general is still going strong, as companies love to spend a few millions dollars to automate something so they save on many more millions of labour costs in the future. customers will buy a custom machine from us for a couple million and operator costs will halve while production doubles. the remaining half of the operator costs I mentioned to towards maintenance staff, which is generally a more skilled position than assembly line work. obviously my numbers are rough, but you get the idea

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There's irony in how easy it is to automate jobs that are generally regarded as "higher ups", more intelligent as opposed to lower-tier jobs. And those managers and executives would likely be pretty bad workers.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

I used to despise the thought of AI in the workplace doing my job for me

but after seeing what apparently above-average employees output.. I understand why it seems appealing

ex: sent my coworker instructions that made note of particular things, and a template file with clearly documented instructions inside the file. they used the wrong template file, not the one I explicitly sent the filepath for. they asked me to review the file. I made note of the issues that cropped up because they didn't follow the instructions. they asked me to do a final review. I noticed that some of their fixes to my notes did the opposite of what I asked, or were just ignored. like, yeah, AI can do just as well as that. but it can't do it properly, and that's what we need

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

When work is done by the underclass, human life is cheaper than maintaining complex automation.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

BYD very famously invested in high end manufacturing equipment early on in it's history. But, in trying to maintain, upgrade, and expand the equipment alongside increased production demand, the senior managers discovered that this was significantly more expensive than just hiring and training more local machinists to build the cars manually.

They ended up downsizing their automated team and hiring/training a huge number of skilled professionals. This allowed the company to grow far more rapidly, while still implementing new changes to their models with minimal re-engineering of their production floor.

Now, BYD is one of the largest car markets in the world, and they are slowing moving back to re-automate jobs that have become consistent and routine.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

You get to replace a lot more cost when you swap engineers and artists for AI slop machines than you do when you swap manual labor for actual mechanical robots.

The people with the money to make the bots know this too.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The only way robots could possibly be successful at mining is if they are controlled and or trained by actual miners. And it's still a long shot.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

You still need these machines to be wired up, because there's no way to do wireless communication in a tunnel network.

At some point, it's cheaper to have a manual operator directly on hand than to try and automate a remote machine against all the contingencies and complexity of mining work.

[–] VAK@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why would I want to make PowerPoint??

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

IKR give me a trash bag and I'll get started

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Allegedly the reason can be found in the published Epstein files. But the people told me never pointed me to an exact portion, though it was something in the lines of:

Can you operate these image recognition and similar systems in reverse? That could be used for art generation, and we could dethrone the left from its ivory tower.

[–] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Is the implication that this quote comes from inside somewhere in the Epstein Files?

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

It's pretty simple:

Robots are very expensive. And ones that could do this type of work cost even more. Nor are they smart enough to be able to reason ahead and envision danger. So they would get crushed in cave ins a lot.

Human males, and yes its vastly men that do mining, are cheap and in plentiful supply. They can do at least some rudimentary reasoning and will get crushed less often. And if you lose a few, well they are easily and cheaply replaced. Making them far more profitable to use.

As an aside, companies are designing and building robotic construction equipment these days. It's just that none of you hang around with such "dirty trades".

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[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

The people in control of the robots write emails and make PowerPoints, that is how the world works to them.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Turns out human-like kinesthetics is a harder problem than spreadsheets. Who knew

Robots fail too much, which is what they don't want us realizing.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 23 points 12 hours ago

Why don't robots do something useful, like transporting things, washing the dishes or my clothes!!1!

empties the dishwasher and hops in a car

[–] lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"But that would be to expensive when one is damaged!" /s

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

The year is 2056, and congress has passed universal healthcare into law with a supermajority, but only for robots.

[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 52 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (8 children)

Robots do, there is anlot of automation now in big mines, Copper be extracted in El Teniente mine in chile, in the middle of the andes and the "miners" can sit comfortably in a control room in the city of rancagua with a cup of coffee.

EDT: Altough part of the mine is still manned.

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