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[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Big no-no for the followers of the God Emperor of Dune or 40k.

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[–] cpaq47@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

While humanism is often a non-religious philosophy or a worldview, federal courts have ruled that it qualifies as a religion.

Best part of the story

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 247 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So you can't oppose outsourcing your brain power to a megacorp that will take zero responsibility for any consequence of its spicy autocorrect...

but you can oppose outsourcing your brain power to "the machine" because it's against your beliefs.

I mean, if it works, yeah sure, call it a religion.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 91 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I mean it's literally not, it's a philosophy, even the American Humanist Society states so

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but they're all dorks so whatever.

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[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, prompt writing is like wishes with Djinns.

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[–] Furbag@pawb.social 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

One religious exemption, please!

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 152 points 3 days ago (1 children)

One Butlerian Jihad comming right up, Sir!

[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 83 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind

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[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

While I think most religious exemptions are stupidly and bullshit (looking at you, vaccine dodgers), this one can be considered to have actual theological merit. No graven images or creations. Also the fact the there are already cults of the AI. It’s still fighting bullshit with bullshit, but sometimes that’s all you have.

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Oh FUUUUCK YES!

[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 92 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I suddenly just became religious.

[–] NovaVeles@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Praise be to whatever gets me exemption!

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If Scientology can get a tax exception as a religious institution, then this guy can get title 9 coverage to not use AI at work as far as I am concerned.

If it was anywhere but a university I would have also expected him to be on the short list for layoffs next round for such a choice as well.

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[–] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah. Why isn't this higher. Or is it somehow different?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

So they want me to use an AI to do my job. But at the same time they haven't fired me so presumably they understand that the AI can't be used exclusively to do the job. So doesn't that mean that they accept that I have better judgment than an AI and therefore my decision not to use said AI shouldn't be a problem for them.

I would love to see them actually try articulate exactly why the above is not true in an employment tribunal.

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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 19 points 2 days ago
[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Humanism isnt really a religion. Its a non theistic philosophy.

https://americanhumanist.org/Humanism/

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The article points that out:

While humanism is often a non-religious philosophy or a worldview, federal courts have ruled that it qualifies as a religion.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think religion itself has to be theistic.

[–] unglueclass23@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

It doesn't. Buddhism, for example does not require a belief in gods.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

hold up. keep your torches lit.

It should be noted that while anyone can request a Title VII exemption, it will only be granted if the applicant has a deep moral conviction that could count as an article of faith. Aside from that, the law also states that the request should not place an “undue hardship on the employer’s business.” So, even though Durman is no longer personally required to use AI tools for his tasks, he is still expected to attend meetings and cooperate with colleagues who use AI or to submit materials to AI tools, as needed.

TLDR; this guy won, but you probably won't.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 73 points 3 days ago (23 children)

Probably won't stand up in the Supreme Court which only recognizes the religious rights of Christians to be bigots.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago

Freedom from religion is more important than freedom of religion.

Time to apply this to financial economics.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Though it's kinda funny that Humanism was the one to do it, it's literally atheism with extra steps

[–] cpaq47@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not really. At least to me although it seems to be similar, it's less a focus on no god and more on being a good person and improving the lives of others. (You know, the things many religious folk think atheists are incapable of)

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (23 children)

This reminds me of a quote from Star Trek Insurrection- "We Believe that when you build a machine to do the work of a man, you take something away from the man."

When I first saw the film, I rejected that. Seemed like backwards thinking, ignorant Luddite ideology ignoring the reality that when the machine does the man's work, you free up the man to do other things. When a man doesn't have to plow the field, he can focus on art and science and philosophy and music and poetry and otherwise taking his mind to the next level. At least that sounded good in my head.

Then I look at what we have now. We have built machines to create art and science and music and poetry, so the man is left to keep taking out the garbage. This is not an improvement. The Baku may not have been totally wrong.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I like Cory Doctorow's take on it differentiating the two different classes of machine:

In automation theory, a "centaur" is a person who is assisted by a machine. You're a human head being carried around on a tireless robot body. Driving a car makes you a centaur, and so does using autocomplete.

And obviously, a reverse centaur is a machine head on a human body, a person who is serving as a squishy meat appendage for an uncaring machine.

Obviously, it's nice to be a centaur, and it's horrible to be a reverse centaur.

The AI trend has been pushing all of us to be reverse centaurs which is the problem with machines you're talking about.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imaginary religion gets exemption from imaginary technology within a society of religious privilege detached from reality.

Honestly I don't necessarily mind giving religious exceptions since it's part of culture which is the lifeblood of mankind, with the obvious asterisk that you shouldn't initiate harm on your fellow man. My problem is that secular elements of culture are oft ignored for some fucken reason. In this essay I will explain why I a bloodthirsty redneck should be allowed to scalp Elon Musk for entirely acceptable cultural reasons.

[–] moonshadow@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I was actually thinking about this wrt healthcare access earlier. I have a genuinely religious conviction against the intimate, personal details of my condition being processed by a machine and made available online. That is the business of myself and a professional caregiver, not a tech company and whatever "partners" they feel like sharing it with. You're supposed to be able to opt out, but practically that's almost never possible

Anyways I know it's in an entirely different field, but this felt like a hopeful precedent. Thanks for sharing :)

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