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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 247 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So you can't oppose outsourcing your brain power to a megacorp that will take zero responsibility for any consequence of its spicy autocorrect...

but you can oppose outsourcing your brain power to "the machine" because it's against your beliefs.

I mean, if it works, yeah sure, call it a religion.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 91 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I mean it's literally not, it's a philosophy, even the American Humanist Society states so

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but they're all dorks so whatever.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There's no objective difference between religion and philosophy.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

There's a "rule of thumb" loose categorisation though, but blurry on the edges

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is.

Philosophy is structured and rational thought.

Religion is the opposite. Easy.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is impossible to construct ethics from first principles. A study of philosophy would tell you that. Logic can take you from one step to another, but at the end of your chain of reason will always lie some pure belief, an act of faith.

For example, many ethical systems can be traced to a few basic axioms, like "human suffering is bad." Or "humans deserve to live." Or "all lives have value." But these are statements that cannot be produced through mathematics. There's no equation that can tell you it's a good thing for a child not to die of hunger. At some point, every moral system traces back to certain basic axioms that are pure beliefs, not rationally derived from any logic or mathematical equation.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is impossible to construct ethics from first principles.

You've never read Groundwork for a Metaphysics of Morals? That's pretty basic stuff, like Ethics 101 basic.

And I'm not even a huge Kant fan let alone a deontologist, in fact I'm more of a situationist, but you should at least be familiar with the Categorical Imperative before you make a nebulous claim like "A study of philosophy would tell you that."

Sometimes abstraction is good and necessary, but a statement like "There's no equation that can tell you it's a good thing for a child not to die of hunger" is an over-abstraction. There's no need to abstract it further, because the situation is already concrete. Anyone who has experienced grief can tell you that, and an ivory tower that's too sterile to taste grief has nothing to offer the world in the way of ethics.

Only a sociopath would have to wrestle with the question of whether there's anything objectively bad about children dying. Do you expect anyone to try to prove it mathematically? Because that would be entirely the wrong approach.

If you can't state "living is a good thing, and therefore premature loss of an innocent life is a bad thing" as a first principle, then there could be no point in debating ethics with you because you're already amoral.

I'm not accusing you of thinking that way, I understand you're presenting a line of reasoning in the abstract as a thought experiment. I'm simply telling you what my response would be to someone who tried actually arguing along that line.

[–] dou9m@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Perfectly said, thank you!

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

One is a way of thinking, the other is an interpretation of reality.

[–] dou9m@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“an interpretation of reality”… so it’s just a re-occurring thought lmao?

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No it's a set of fundamental assumptions about the nature of the universe and reality.

[–] dou9m@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago

Where a christian would draw faith from their spiritual deity, a humanist might draw faith from the fact that they’re alive because of the human spirit, no? A “spirit” which only exists because an absurdly bizarre amount of coincidences happened… so many in fact, that it honestly makes total sense that even the most intelligent people among us could believe (or in my perspective: fall for) that it was actually instead the doing of a being who is in a completely different realm of existence from our own.

I promise I’m not just being pedantic or whatever, I’m truly trying to understand how there’s any difference between a philosophy effectively based on some santa-clause-tier shit and one simply based on the (actually phenomenal) evidence we have available.

Hell, I even grew up as a christian before I gained full consciousness and wondered why the fuck god would torture me with a life that is so comically filled with absolute horrors that go beyond anything I would comprehend on my own.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The other one is bullshit *

And philosophy isn't bullshit for sure.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I dunno, some philosophy is bullshit

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but just because all then all philosophy is bullshit. Some movies are bullshit but not for that the cinema and all the movies are bullshit too.

Anyways, every statement, even stating that philosophy is bullshit or isn't knowledge, is a philosophic statement to some degree or another.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Arguably every religion would fit in that

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Tenets and beliefs

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Gotta be a religion to get privileged in USA. Reason and rationality get thrown out the window.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Or at the very least an "article of faith" protected by the US Government. Idk about humanism tax status.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, prompt writing is like wishes with Djinns.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't know, Jewish tradition has golems. They're basically human-shaped machines that are powered by the words written by their creators.

Though golems are supposed to be mute, and LLM are anything but. Maybe that's why AI is bad.

I'm sure we can find something written millennia ago that describes precisely why we shouldn't use gen AI now, we just have to look for it.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago
[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 9 points 3 days ago

I used that bullshit to get out of beard length requirements at a job once. They dont like to question it to much, and if they do, you just have to get offended lol.