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I have two things to add:

1. You all rock. Thank you for all the migration suggestions, and tips.
2. Fuck Andy Yen, of course.

I keep seeing folks mention that at least it is a good and secure service why should I leave? this should be why: via: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

Andy Yen, the CEO of Proton, had a message for an employee in the company’s security Slack channel who urged the company to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. “Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.”

His values have been incompatible with Proton's mission for some years now. Proton hasn't deviated from their mission however so I'm fine using their products until they do.

I incidentally agree with the guy that handwritten code is practically obsolete in this age of llms. Typewriters and hard copy markups are also practically obsolete in the age of word processors yet some of the best and most prolific writers use them exclusively.

Give people options and let them choose what works for them. So many CEOs have a hard time with this concept.

Did Andy Yen do something stupid again? I think I’m out of the loop.

EDIT: Just saw it. Ugh. Why can’t we just have nice things not run by jerks?

I just finished a long process of degoogling. Don't tell me I have to deproton now. Ugh.

Fuck Proton!

I had already made up my mind when he called trump's administration something like "the people's party". I've been a client since forever, renewing every 2 years during sales, but not this time.

And now reading more about what kind of person he is, ultra capitalist boss talking about "loser" mentality... What a cunt. Reminds me of musk

company’s security Slack channel urged Proton to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. “Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.” Yen added, “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”

"Unfortunately for me, my subscription just renewed last month on a multi year plan, but it does give me time to browse for and experiment with alternatives."

I walked away from a 2 year proton subscription after using them for only 6 months

Proton are why I would never sign up to a vpn subscription ever again.

Hah! Did cancel early in the day before finding this. I was a bit more blunt about reason: "Your psycho CEO". Found 'tutamail' that seems to do what I need (backup email basically if my server is out) and luckily didn't have anything on proton yet.

I cancelled it, but unfortunately I pre-paid for 2 years and there's still a long way to go.

I've deleted my Proton account 2 years ago with the reason "I'll self-host from now, but I might return one day." ... I'm tempted to re-register, and delete my account again with the reason "No, I really won't".

What should I use instead of Proton for email?

I have less of an issue with his desire for more AI use at the company than I do for the whole "you are an idiot if you disagree with me" vibe and making everyone re-interview, seemingly for a job they already have and have been doing successfully up to this point. That sort of way of managing and doing business is just immature and childish.

Since my multi-year membership isn't up for another year I am not planning to completely pull out yet. But the CEOs actions have put a stop to my willingness to further entrench myself in their offerings for now. When renewal time gets closer I will decide if I want to walk away completely or keep the mail and calendar services and pull back on the service plan I do end up renewing.

Personally, I will stick with Proton for now because they are the least fascist option I have found for my use case that suits my standards of security. As such, I would not consider myself able to cancel my subscription.

But I do deeply dislike their CEO, Andy Yen, and will send a complaint regarding his conduct and recommending his removal. He is a danger to his own company's mission and to Proton's user base.

I agree with everything you said in this post. I will add that:

• Proton's insistence on using Electron applications for their "standalone" apps is a major issue as well.
• I recommend using LibreOffice instead of their rather trashy office suite.
• Lumo also needs to go. Ethical software cannot be developed with—or in support of—LLMs.

Tell me about alternatives that are less dependant on fossil energy sources.

Does this count or is was this too aggressive? I've been known to be a little too angry when it comes to things like this.