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Andy Yen's values are incompatible with Proton's mission. He advocates for poor security practices, supports fascists, and he verbally abuses his subordinates. As such, I can no longer in good conscience continue to financially support a company with such terrible leadership.

Unfortunately for me, my subscription just renewed last month on a multi year plan, but it does give me time to browse for and experiment with alternatives.

If you're able, I encourage you to do the same and cite Andy Yen as the driving factor for your decision. We can't let these tech bro fascists destroy what little semblance of privacy we have left.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 34 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

Up until recently, I was willing to roll with Proton since the product itself is so good, but who knows if that will remain with the reckless charge into LLM integration? We've been watching Microsoft and Google enshittify their products at a rapid pace in order to force people to use their chatbots, so Proton's likely up next.

I'll spend part of my day researching alternatives, but for those of you out there doing the same, just keep in mind that your best bet for privacy is Non-US tech services, especially if the country in question doesn't comply with the CLOUD Act.

I hate the fascists too.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

When people show you who they are, listen.

There was a lot of copium flying around after the first red flag. I told people then, best case scenario is he's a naive idiot to think a Trump cabinet pick is good for anyone other than Trump and his cronies. Worst case scenario he was trying to cosy up to an anti-dempcratic fascist.

Here we are with red flag 2. How many people are going to keep injecting that copium? Or are we finally listening to the man when he tries to show us who he is?

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 4 points 58 minutes ago

Emphasis: listen the first time.

And this is red flag number 3. Don't forget about Proton sponsoring fascist Youtubers.

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[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 hour ago (5 children)

where do you migrate to? especially password manager and web storage?

I used to self host those, but nextcloud is a pain to keep updated, and password management is to important to do half assed.

[–] shifty@leminal.space 2 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago) (1 children)
  • Filen.io encrypted notes and camera roll backup and cloud drive
  • Tuta email
  • Bitwarden password
  • Aegis 2FA
  • Windscribe VPN
  • Addy.io email alias
  • privacy.com credit card aliases
  • Cryptpad productivity suite
[–] dudesss@piefed.ca 1 points 10 minutes ago

I was considering Windscribe, but Canada's new Bill C-22 is making me reconsider.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 37 minutes ago

Valutwarden

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

I said this before, will say it again: do not migrate to another subscription service.

People went through all the trouble to migrate from Google to Proton, then now they must migrate from Proton to whatever else, and the cycle will repeat again.

Subscription services, cloud software, they all strip you of agency and control. You don't have direct access to the files, you don't control the GUI, they are filled with proprietary formats, you are at their hands if they decide to change something you like, or pricing, or if they simply go nuts.

Keep your things in your computer. Need they synced? SyncThing will do that for you on any device imaginable.

[–] alakey@piefed.social 1 points 6 minutes ago

The vast majority of people don't know the difference between 2FA and passkeys, and you want them to manage their own self hosted solutions for everything? Yeah, keep repeating this I guess...

You might as well move out to the mountains and live off grid and pretend like that's a real solution.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 minutes ago

Need they synced

yes. at least desktop <-> notebook <-> phone. Also I want friends to send me files and vice versa.

SyncThing

I tried that when before i migrated from selfhosted nextcloud to proton. it was pretty annoying to keep running. And I couldnt easily use it to send files to friends. That was some years ago though. maybe things changed idk.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 points 42 minutes ago

Will SyncThing sync photos from an iPhone to a Linux desktop?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

especially password manager

KeePassXC on desktop, KeePassDX on a phone. The KDBX files are encrypted, and unless you store other files inside of there, they are also pretty tiny (<1MB), so you can put it anywhere. Of course, in that case, don't store cloud login details in that password database.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 minutes ago

can i sync pw between desktop and phone automatically?

I don't know yet, but I got 600+ days to figure it out 😬

[–] uzername@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

just write Andy Yen

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's a for profit company in a for profit society. It was bound to work against morality sooner or later.

There's only a small window where companies can make satisfactory profits without being evil. After that tiny window, it's genocide, slavery, total destruction.

For email you can use Tuta, which seems fine for now. I don't even know what other services Proton offers, so can't recommend anything there.

[–] begrudgedcarfolk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 27 minutes ago

There's still a for profit company there,

And the foundation didn't stop this, so I'm not sure its a big point anymore.

[–] tensor_nightly69@lemmy.world 32 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

I did this the first time he praised Trump's cabinet picks.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 hours ago

I canceled my renewal at that time but had just reupped for two years. I was hoping the foundation board would do its job and reprimand him if not oust. Their inaction and silence has been the most disappointing part of this and the real reason I’m following through on ending my 10+ year account with them.

[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 2 hours ago

I also cited him back then. Interesting to pay attention to reddit comments but not to your own cancelling subscribers.

[–] begrudgedcarfolk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 hours ago

I had missed that and that's a failure on my part.

[–] BevsDad@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

I had just swapped over to proton at the time so I didn't want to go through that again but if both ethics and security aren't priorities then I'm out I'll probably just self host half the replacement services on my VPS anyway.

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[–] shifty@leminal.space 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cancelled my Visionary Plan. That gives a bit of time to migrate off the platform.

[–] begrudgedcarfolk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I remember when I used to lament not purchasing the visionary plan a few years back.

[–] shifty@leminal.space 1 points 1 minute ago

I've enjoyed Proton email, calendar, and VPN. So that's only 3 out of 10 Proton services I use while paying for visionary.

I had poor experience with the password manager at launch so I moved back to bitwarden/aegis. And I despise Proton Drive its best described as cryogenic deep freeze not functional cloud storage. I've had a much better experience with Filen.io

[–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)
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[–] tramdan@piefed.social 25 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

I did exactly that a few days ago when I read about the AI interviews. Using Tuta now.

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[–] aSaabD00d@lemmy.today 34 points 4 hours ago (12 children)

Yeah, that's very unfortunate. I just recently moved everything over to proton and I'll be spending today looking for yet another alternative.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

After decades on Gmail I finally stopped procrastinating and moved almost everything to proton over the last week. I had made a Lemmy post asking for service recommendations. Almost everyone said proton except two jerks who railed against it but had no interest in explaining and they made no alternative recommendation, just railed against proton.

Reading this article right now sucks.

[–] aSaabD00d@lemmy.today 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I don't get why some people don't elaborate. Just before I deleted tiktok and reddit, Proton and Tuta were the 2 everyone was recommending and I went with proton bc of the easy move feature which didn't actually work for me for whatever reason so I ended up moving the most important accounts first and then all the ones that mattered one by one. I recall seeing some people do the same as you claimed; railing against proton without explanation but the looks of it and ease of use were what got me. Tuta doesn't have that "easy move" feature either but it might be my go to. I thought all of their tiers were paid tiers but it looks like they have a free tier with twice as much space as proton.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, not only do people who do that not elaborate, they often insult you for even considering something they're judgy about. Proton in this case. That was how both commenters approached it. Telling me I'm an idiot if I go with the recommendation that actually existed. They could've at least said what they use. One (non rude) person did mention tuta but I figured the bigger company would be more reliable to stick around 😭

[–] polakkenak@feddit.dk 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Please do share what alternative(s) you end up with and what you like about the providers. I had a look at mailbox, infomaniak and tuta for mail and airvpn as a replacement. I think I'l be switching to mailbox.

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Fuuck moving email is such a bother. Thankfully I do have my own domain, so it's not that bad, but looking for a new provider sucks.

What's the recommended alternative?

[–] bootstrap@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

If you use an email alias software like addy.io, email basically becomes ephemeral. Change providers whenever you want and just change the forwarding address for the alias.

Also helps with internet hygeine to have a different random email for every account.

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