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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

This only can mean that they do not actually need more compute for the current situation, while subsidizing their prices hard on top of that fact. If compute were scarce, prices would hold up or rise at least with the inflation rate. Compare this to the amount of datacenters being built, see the discrepancy, realize that at least 200 billion dollars worth of GPUs are just sitting in warehouses doing nothing outside of losing value, and realize that this bubble will crash harder than any of the previous ones. The Dot-Com crash will look like peanuts compared to this.

Edit: This also means the NeoClouds like CoreWeave are doomed. They have no way to pay back the debt they have taken on if noone is interested in renting compute. (I would even go as far as to say that they are doomed either way. I have the hypothesis that this is intended - when CoreWeave goes inevitably bankrupt, NVidia will snag up as much as possible of their own inventory back for a discount, so they can sell it off a second time.)

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 52 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Price drop caused in majority by open weight models. No wonder Altman wants regulations against open models and to take everybody's home computer's RAM.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

People running local models would RUIN their profit margins.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And nVidia is now selling hardware for local models specifically. For cheap.

There is a clear winner in the AI race and its hardware makers. To me, its almost like Jensen Huang calculated this outcome quitea while ago, and fed into the bubble with the loans to the software companies.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

During a gold rush, you want to be the guy selling shovels.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago

You do, however Nvidia got greedy and started to circular invest in the billions if not trillions into those buying the shovels. Now, when the bubble bursts, Nvidia will be hit massively as well.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That's the best way to describe this.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

They don't have profit margins though

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This is the logical endgame IMO so I get why the losers are fighting it.

They can only afford to buy the worlds compute for so long though.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 119 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

We used to give our cycles for free to help probing the universe and understanding the building blocks of life

Nowadays it's about selling them to assholes ruining the world.

Well, kinda glad it ends up not profitable enough for them.

[–] visch@quokk.au 1 points 1 minute ago

I did folding@home at the time I could have minded bitcoin for pizza. TBH no regrets, fuck crypto I feel better

[–] Sinirlan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Still crunching for Einstein@home on few hosts :)

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 hours ago

What do you mean "used to"? BOINC still runs on my machine.

[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 28 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I used to give mine for the search for extra terrestrials

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

Yeah!! I was hooked up to SETI for years!

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sinirlan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Not really, they work on analysing data which people produced over the years. But they stopped SETI@home project.

[–] goodguys9@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 hours ago

Alphafold was definitely a better era for intentional AI use, assuming that's the kind of thing you mean.

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't that bad for the big US AI companies? The only thing they are doing that actually makes money is selling their inference service on their private models and they need to make a much larger profit on it to even start paying off the interest on the debt they have accrued on infrastructure and training costs.

This is in my opinion why there is all the scare mongering to try and lock out open weight competition to prevent decoupling inference from the models being run. Otherwise inference just becomes a low margin utility service and the big tech companies that have bet big on AI lose big.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 2 points 56 minutes ago

Yes, it is. Their costs aren't going down, only what they can charge and they struggle to be profitable already now. Their only hope is outlawing open models from frontier applications and coding.

[–] elgordino@fedia.io 21 points 4 hours ago

A global distributed AI network using currently unused local RAM, should put Altman’s concerns about efficiently to bed. I’m sure he’s absolutely delighted.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 59 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I love how we went from 1. AI will make your computer obsolete to 2. rent out your computer to AI to 3. sorry, AI doesn’t pay enough to rent your computer. That’s an entire tech boom and bust cycle squeezed into one Mac’s idle time.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 32 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately in addition, they took all the money for like three tech booms and slammed it all into that one cycle because the US economy was very stagnant and it seemed like their only move that made line go up. Whole thing has been exhausting.

I'm tired, boss.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

With the amount of debt (new money) they've created out of thin air, I imagine inflation over the next 5 years will be similar to the last 5 years.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 23 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I think they are just subsidizing to gain users before the IPO though, no?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 17 points 4 hours ago

That‘s my guess too. Anthropic‘s business model was abysmal already but now the IPO looks like a really bad Ponzi scheme that is guaranteed to lose your money.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 points 2 hours ago

You mean subsidizing even harder - there have been absolutely no technological advances that would allow for a price drop of 77%, especially with inflation calculated in. This is the equivalent of your crack dealer giving you 4 times the drugs for your money to ensure you and your whole community get hooked.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 7 points 5 hours ago

Cheaper Tokens is a good thing. Maybe not for people who want to sell them to you, but if you buy them, that is awesome