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This sounds kind of mildly dystopian to me, as an EU citizen. Back in the 1970's the EU could not have functioned without UK, and the exemptions were necessary. Now we can, and if we go out of our ways with being extra nice to them after they've endangered the future of EU, other member states will be inclined to do the same whenever some populist party gains enough foothold. Creating such a precedent would kill the EU.
Yeah, we'd be better off with UK than without, but if UK joins on terms that will endanger the whole future of EU, as suggested here, then it's still better without.
Either they should join on sane terms, which they will be ready for already in about two decades anyway, or they should not join. It's pointless risking everything by unnecessarily hurrying up with this.
I'd be flexible on the Euro. And by flexible I mean "sure keep the Β£ for now, but you gotta commit to similar plans as the other non-β¬ having EU members" sort of thing. But only if thats the only deal breaker, like if they accept everything else, sure, let them keep the Β£ for a bit. But eventually it has to change.
As for Schengen, nah. That's one of the main things about the EU, if you don't want that, then stay out.
I am a Brit, writing this while on holiday in Portugal. Most of the year I live in Malaysia. No, I'm not rich, yes, I'm disappointed too. My penny's worth:
- I've always subscribed to the European project and am ashamed of Brexit. I apologise to my European siblings that I wasn't able to convince close family members to remain.
- East Asia is close to eating our collective breakfast, lunch and dinner. Brits, leave the past behind, it's over. We still have many wonderful attributes to contribute to Europe. They and us are stronger together.
- Being the 51st state of America does not seem like a very good idea, at all.
- I'm just turning 60 and remember the current, decimal pound being introduced. It's younger than me, it's not something to be nostalgic about.
- It is the 21st century. Britain needs a governmental system appropriate for it, one that provides the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Our current system benefits the few and the legacy few at the expense of the many. Europe provides a better framework. I wish you all well but let's pull our collective head out of our arse and get back into Europe, with humility, where we belong.
No one learned anything.
If you're implying that Brits are all a bunch of Europe-hating backstabbers then I don't think that's true. I'm British and yes, some Brits don't like the EU. Mainly older Brits. But a lot of Brits do like the EU.
According to YouGov, a British polling company, a majority of Brits have wanted to rejoin the EU for at least the last two and a half years, perhaps longer. Of course that level of support could change depending on the terms of rejoining the EU, but still.
Personally I think it would be good if the UK and EU forge closer relations in the coming years, but I don't think rejoining the EU will be a realistic possibility for at least a few years, because eurosceptics in the UK continue to wield political power.
You people are absolutely free to join. But the exemptions suggested in this article are just lunacy.
Then join with the same rules as everyone else. Why should the UK get special treatment? It only contributes to British inflated sense of self-importance and exceptionalism, and creates problems inside the EU because once you start creating exceptions everyone wants them.
Countries should either be in or out, there shouldn't be a special snowflake of a country that's allowed to be in and out all at once just because they used to be relevant 100 years ago.
Fuck no. Full EU or stay out.
Why? Ireland isn't in Schengen, and multiple EU countries aren't using the euro, with no plans to adopt it (Poland, Sweden, Hungary, Czechia).
I'm British and I hope the UK and EU can have closer relations. But if the EU just wants to punish the UK for Brexit then that is going to go down badly with many Brits, so closer relations will become less likely.
But if the EU just wants to punish the UK for Brexit
It's not a punishment to get a normal treatment instead of preferential treatment. If we go out of our ways to let you in at any costs, as suggested in the article, we're making all 26 current EU countries inclined to do the same shit whenever they get similar populists in charge. That will eventually tear the EU apart. Coming and going, and then getting a goddamn prize in the form of preferential treatment for having done that, is not something we should allow. Leaving should really mean leaving for good. Okay, if things change, welcome back, but why should we go with a very bad deal we were forced to accept in the 1970's when we were much weaker and had no other option? Now we can survive without the UK just fine, so we shouldn't just bow ourself into a knot in front of them like we did half a century ago. Welcome back, of course, but only with the usual rules that apply to everyone else as well.
And, I must say, I keep seeing British people see being treated normally as a punishment. That's some heavy level of exceptionalism. I keep seeing that attitude, and it's not an attitude I want to see in a EU member state. English people who are saying shit like "EU just wants to punish the UK for Brexit" when what is being talked about is just not giving them weird exemptions or other kinds of preferential treatment that puts them over other countries, do a good job shifting my thinking from "you're welcome to join" towards "rather not."
Ireland only isn't in Schengen to accommodate the UK not being in Schengen, by the way.
Because objectively, the brits had one of if not the best deal out of any EU country, lots of excemptions, rebates, special cases for them. But that wasnt enough, so they threw a tantrum and left.
It is wildly inappropriate and sends the wrong message to everyone else if UK gets to join at yet again super favourable cherry picked conditions. The EU should take them back as a true and full member only, not as this privileged cherry picked BS again that only stirs resentment from others. Commit fully to the EU like every other member and the trust is restored.
Not this.
But that wasn't enough, so they threw a tantrum and left.
I don't think it was necessarily just greed and racism that caused Brexit. There were a lot of people that weren't happy with life in the UK, and a huge misinformation campaign cropped up at the wrong time to suggest Brexit would leave people better off and provide more money for the NHS.
I think what didn't help is when there were celebs who weren't struggling like everyone else were saying people would be stupid not to vote stay.
The misinformation campaign worked and a lot of those people that voted leave realised how they had been misled.
All of those millions for the NHS that was just a lie and we all only got told it was a lie afterwards. And we basically had people on the leave side admitting to just making numbers up.
It was a very obvious lie. Your people believed that lie, and your people will believe similar lies again in the future, unless they change.
And just a few comments above, there was yet another Briton saying "the EU just wants to punish the UK for Brexit", showcasing that no, that people has not changed a bit. They are still swimming very deep in the waters of exceptionalism, seeing being treated as just a normal country instead something better than others as "a punishment"!
Did you punish those people for lying? Or did the society (and their laws) decide that it was an ok thing to do?
And UK is not Ireland, Poland or Sweden.
And Poland, Ireland or Sweden didn't waste shitload of time and resource of EU by staging idiotic exit.
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You had your special deal, didn't like it, why would we offer it again
A minority of peoples didnβt like it, imposing their will over the rest of the country, after months of propaganda stuffed down their throats that said every permutation of lie possible to convince them it would be a good idea.
Brexit is something to learn from, not punish. It could be your country next. Otherwise the EU will be torn apart by its enemies and unforgiving responses like this will keep the EU broken rather than healing its wounds.
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A minority of peoples didnβt like it
So many in the majority were so okay with Brexit that they decided no to bother to go voting. Being indifferent about such a big thing is not a very good image.
It wasnβt exactly a small minority, and the Bremaining voters apparently stayed home. I remember fondly Farage screaming for a 2/3s majority or it wouldnβt count, but boi was he suddenly happy with the more or less 3.5% difference for leave!
Youβre not wrong, it was 1/4 of the population I believe. Which shows how at risk our populations are to misinformation and disinformation.
Brexit was a warning sign of the impact social media, social engineering, and charismatic yet morally bankrupt orators. Europe mustnβt be divided so easily nor allow grudges to perpetuate that division.
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Well, that's the same terms under which Denmark is a member. I think it's acceptable.
However, Denmark participates in Schengen.
Theoretically, yes. However , since 2016 we've had 'temporary border controls' on the German and Swedish borders.
Edit: Utimately, the EU will be stronger with the UK back in. Militarily, economically, politically.
So let's not be assholes about it - they were manipulated to leave, in part by Russian agents using the Cambridge Analytica data scandal to run political ads without informed consent, and also in part by their national politicians blaming everything bad on the EU for 50 years.
I think we've all learned from it, and I'd be happy to see them back in the EU.
I fear their direction on personal privacy. They are running a strong line toward US/Russia style oversight of people's lives. Not to mention they have the most cctv in the world already, now they want to ban VPNs and push for IDs on all srvices.
Well, yes, but I also fear that from my own Danish government and many other governments in the EU. I still think the EU as a block will be stronger with the UK in instead of out.
Yes we will be economically and militarily. But militarily we have agreements already.
I don't want to have desgrading return on investment in life because a line goes up somewhere for some dickhead and I am supposedly safer from a foreign enemy but I have now have a local enemy in my tech and home.
That would be so stupid. Anyone else wants a brief break from the EU to test the waters?
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