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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 35 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

The only reason I haven't cancelled yet is because I moved my family, including my parents, onto a family plan with them, and that's going to be a lot of work to move everyone again.

But this shit fucking sucks. I recommended this product to my loved ones because it's supposed to be trustworthy and secure, and now I find out it's neither of those things.

If you're a Proton customer right now and not in a position to simply cancel your account, submit a support ticket laying out your concerns. I got a detailed and lengthy response back within a day (one that was clearly not a form letter either, it directly addressed all the points I raised). Flooding their support channels will make it clear that they are in some serious shit here.

Write to the Proton Foundation too. Demand that Yen be removed from the board and the company, and that serious changes be made to the leadership at Proton to ensure this never happens again.

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I’m moving off of proton due to this and it’s just me. It’s still difficult finding a better solution. Good luck.

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[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 90 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Is Andy Yen the asian version of Johnny Cash?

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago

Guilty.

And I made sure they knew precisely why.

[–] lemmingsareawesome@sh.itjust.works 7 points 14 hours ago (6 children)
[–] ducktumn@lemmy.zip 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Tutamail is great for mails

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[–] glibg@lemmy.ca 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

As much as I think this Andy fellow is a douche, I appreciate Proton is encrypting all my stuff, which is still way better than gmail. For that, I will continue paying for the service. It's just so much work to switch over email - I don't want to have to do it again.

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[–] RedCliff7192@reddthat.com 25 points 18 hours ago

I suspected my distrust of Proton would eventually prove right. Too bad.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 32 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If anyone nowadays builds something they can't just bask in the success, the feel the need to spew ideologies all of a sudden.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 10 points 17 hours ago

Not everyone can be VLC

[–] anothermember@feddit.uk 88 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I already cancelled a couple of years ago when this same man posted a pro-Trump comment. That seems to have been forgotten about, some people dismissed it as just a comment, I've even been downvoted since for trying to warn people, and now look.

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[–] chris@lemmy.grey.fail 345 points 1 day ago (105 children)

I've been putting it off, because it took me more than a year to migrate away from Gmail. But this is hard to ignore. I'm tired, fam.

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[–] vathecka@lemmy.radio 13 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

How has the board not fired him over this shit show yet

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 146 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This is the quoted article: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

Andy Yen, the CEO of Proton, had a message for an employee in the company’s security Slack channel who urged the company to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. “Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.”

In a follow-up message, Yen reiterated his point: “only losers think like that.” His ultimate message for the team was to “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”

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[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (17 children)

This is terrible, but what is even worse is that they partnered with a Zionist Swiss university, that supports Israeli military and out criminal sanctions against students protesting against the genocide of Palestinians.

Partnership announcement.

Israel military connection and student prosecution.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago
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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 9 points 17 hours ago

God dammit... this totally validates my procrastination in signing up.

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