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[–] CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I did an essay on vaccines in Jr. High, 20-25 years ago. I was writing a persuasion essay and I chose vaccines. I always try to provide views from both sides... even back then. As a child, in fucking Jr. High, I found Andrew Wakefield's study that linked autism and vaccines, found all the evidence against it, found out he lost his medical license for it, and realized "wow, there really is no argument against vaccines. These people are fucking idiots!" Again at the age of 12 ish... fucking anti-vaxxer dipshits...

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vaccines are good as long as they are proven to work, and as long as they are effective enough to be worth the side effects and risks. Big pharma needs to be held accountable and kept honest, because they would definitely try to sell you vaccines that are not necessary or not effective if they could get away with it. It shouldn't be an all or nothing question.

[–] CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Go do the research yourself. Vaccines are proven to work. Over, and over, and over again. The side effects are so incredibly rare they might as well be non-existent. Go do some actual fucking research, there is no argument against vaccines. The covid vaccine was in development for 20+ years due to SARS. That's how it was able to be pushed out so quickly. Go look at all the infectious diseases that are on the rise because dipshit mother fuckers aren't getting vaccinated or their kids. Its fucking stupid...

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I worked in pharma for ten years. Vaccines work, but some work better than others. There have been many vaccines that were pulled after emergency use approval or because the side effects were not worth the disease that they were trying to prevent. Or like the flu vaccine used to make you mildly sick for a few days, but then you still got the flu because they guessed the wrong strain. You can't just scream that vaccines work to people who have first hand experience with them not working. Otherwise you risk losing their trust in ALL vaccines. This is a big part of why we have a resurgence in the anti vaccine movement. Anyone who has actually researched knows that the topic of vaccines is more complicated than "vaccines good".

[–] CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But that is exactly why you can trust them... because they get pulled when its not worth it. You're correct in that there's much more nuance than just vaccine=good, but with the totality of the evidence and procedures it can be pretty simply stated with vaccine=good

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

If they have full fda approval, you can generally trust that they are more beneficial than otherwise. With vaccines that have been available and widely used for decades and even generations, there is basically no risk at all. But I understand hesitation with new vaccines, even if I am not worried about them myself. Most people can't grasp the level of effort and proof it requires to get approval.

[–] teslasdisciple@lemmy.ca 121 points 4 days ago

Florida 2026:

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is going end tragically for an unthinkable number of children and immunocompromised adults.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Yup.

The Republican party are enemies of the people of the United States of America.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago

that's the point.

[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 78 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Seems logical for a country that has a healthcare system that profits off people being sick.. get infectious disease, end up in hospital, go broke

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t work if doctors, nurses, and the rest of healthcare get sick too. If their kids are sick, they’re typically home with them. Hospitals don’t make money without staff.

These guys don’t appear to be thinking even one step away from the immediate impact.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (9 children)

One can hope that at least some doctors and nurses in Florida still remember the advantages of being alive and healthy due to vaccinations.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wow. Health crisis incoming.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 4 days ago

Sounds like Florida is pulling ahead of Texas in their race to the bottom.

[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fucking going backwards. Way to go, USA.....wtf.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The way you think of the US, the US thinks of Florida.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago

Florida is truly the Florida of Florida.

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Build the wall! Around Florida!

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

What would it take for Canada and EU to close their borders?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

USA devolving in real time

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

A state full of plague rats. Sounds like a travel advisory from every government in the world that's not as fucked up as the US's.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Even fascists in other countries aren't this stupid. What do they even want to gain in spreading diseases?

They're not even smart fascists they're like crazy, ignorant, stupid fascists

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[–] toppy@lemy.lol 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No idiot would make this decision. I don't think hitler was even this dumb. Science is real and works. Vaccines, medicines works. Trump and his friends have hidden agenda. Something is brewing in USA.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Trump and his friends have hidden agenda.

Donald Trump isn't a smart man and he has some very concerning beliefs. I mean we know for a fact that Trump slept/sleeps with a copy of Hitler's Speeches in his bedside drawer. He admitted that himself. He also has some very strange views on exercise, claiming the human body is like a battery and too much exercise can kill you. He tweeted that he believes vaccines cause Autism.

A lot of political positions have some weird fucking ideas on health and science, even the "normal" ones (Look up Posadism, right now, drop whatever you are doing and look it up right now, it's ducktits bonkers), but the Right are the ones who are most infamous for them. I mean the basis for OG Nazism involved Supermen with high technology coming to Earth on an Ice Ball (no seriously), but you also have ideas popular on the right like:

  • Socioeconomic factors for health are overblown or non existent (popular with conservatives and libertarians).
  • HIV doesn't cause AIDS/HIV-AIDS doesn't exist/Was made in a lab (Founder of GB news and Epistein book alum Andrew Neil believes this).
  • Immuno-comprimised people deserve to die as to not inconvenience them, personally (popular during Covid).
  • Vaccines cause Autism.
  • Gender identity doesn't exist and trans and nonbinary people are sexual perverts who should be killed (if AMAB or Intersex) or "Brought back to woman hood to save their wombs" (if AFAB, yes, sounds like a handmaid's tale).
  • Intersex people don't exist/don't deserve to live.
  • Contraception is wrong/doesn't work and should be banned.
  • Fertilised Human Eggs are instantly Sentient and Sapient.
  • Menstruation is a disorder (yes, you heard that) caused by toxins.
  • Faith Healing.
  • That certain races have superpowers.
  • That the world is ~6000 years old and the bible is right.
  • That Mobile Phones or phone masts cause Cancer/Autism/Covid.
  • That chemical reactions in people's guts cause Autism.
  • That Autism can be cured.
  • That Queerness can be cured.
  • That eating raw meat or dairy products is good for you.

And many more.

Now I am going to also say that alongside insanity, there's a more "rational"/Machiavellian reason for them doing things like getting rid of vaccines and that is the following:

  1. They don't pay anything to help anyone. Generally they believe the state is there to keep the underlings in line, not help them.
  2. They think that actual healthcare should only be accessible to those who can pay for it, especially if it's out of reach for the average person and thus is for the "elite".
  3. If people are sick, they will have to spend large amounts of money, meaning they can extract even more labour from them to enrich themselves. If they can't, well, they die and aren't a "problem" for them.

The reason why Trump and his ilk having these beliefs are the following:

  1. They're sociopaths who love the idea of NeoFeudalism more than a British MP enjoys Cocaine.
  2. They're not very bright.
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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

It's part of Project 2025. They need to cull social security recipients. Half of people in Florida are over 42, oldest state in the US. Kids are great at spreading viruses. It's just a version of smallpox blankets used to kill off natives.

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[–] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Enjoy your polio, antivaxers.

And don't forget to buy stock in iron lung manufacturers. Gonna be a BIG spike in demand.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Looks like I'm never going to Florida again

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This black guy compared mandatory vaccines to slavery

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[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago

What a shithole country.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hope that the sea suddenly engulfs and submerges the whole of Florida.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago

US Balkanization when?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

They will have lots of fun once they move out of there. If they get old enough in the first place.

The US is already at the tail end of modern countries when it comes to dying children due to the horrible health care. They are doing everything they can to get even worse.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 4 days ago

Because being first is better than being intelligent. Or alive.

[–] happydoors@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Up in Minnesota the only hope I have is that the kids don’t create a national/international crisis when they travel and spread various diseases. We are all in this together.

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[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

There will be a loooong break at the holiday season.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These deaths are going to be a lot harder to hide.

Make Iron Lungs Great Again

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Need to build a border, for the safety of the other states.

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[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago

Have fun watching your kids die. God bless America and all that jazz...

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I mean if they chose to stay within their borders and die, I'd be perfectly fine with that and would actually support it.

But they're going to cross borders and infect us. That's basically a hostile act.

[–] Zomg@piefed.world 10 points 4 days ago

Hearing "who am I to say what you can do with your body" while also making abortion illegal is so infuriating. Like, listen to yourself talk...

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"The rollback could result in fewer school children getting immunized against deadly viruses such as polio and measles."

There is no "could"

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[–] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago

Good luck, good night.

[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 days ago

Seems like a fast way to completely kill your tourism industry.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Well at least the leopards will have enough faces to eat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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