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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 hours ago

"It is rude of me to say all of this, because we live in a culture where manners are often valued more than truth." This is a really good quote actually

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I do not believe anyone should be murdered because of their views, but that is because I don’t believe people should be murdered generally, regardless of who they are or what they’ve done. I am against the death penalty, pro–gun control, and believe war is a failure of humanity, not a necessary byproduct of it. Kirk was fine with murder as long the right people were dying.

Well said, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a bit of schadenfreude at his passing.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Not as strong as it should be. Some speech should be exterminated. Divisive lies for hatred and anticonstitutional genocide makes democracy dysfunctional. Trump having been jailed during last Presidency was both deserved and more democratic. Reaction to the shooting that is criticism of Kirk has an extermination movement ranging from cancel/firings to calls for civil war and genocide of everyone threatened by Kirk. There will be no political retributions for Americans cheering Putin's death, and establishment would get ultra aggressive if in Hitler's death someone pointed out his love of dogs. Discussion of a person's political views should never be exterminated.

2 specific areas of speech that need extermination:

  1. Replacement theory. If you have/are allowed to have children, then you will challenge the "ultimate deserved ethnic supremacist" power to control democracy. Structural or individual violent repression of undesirables is validated. GOP establishment must go along with this, as voter suppression has always been a requirement of their corruption.

  2. Christofascist justification of ZIonazi first rule over America. Zionazi supremacist speech is establishment speech. DNC (Zionazi) "donor pressure" is against criticizing Christofascism because it is subservient ally to Zionism. Kirk was always granted establishment cred because Israel supremacy was the actual centeral purpose of his platform. Just as Chuck Schumer views his job as to "gaslight the left into being pro Israel" Kirk was gaslighting the right into doing the same. Nick Fuentes, whose speech is said to have inspired the murder, gaslights the right into thinking "Trump is not the most Zionazi supporting US demon in history". Christofascism's demonization of Islam, and "godless abomination freedom", in addition to bribing pastors to emphasize bible passages/revelations, both support genocide, and demonize those most likely to dislike genocide.

Opposing Zionist supremacist rule over America is the actual speech that establishment exterminates from America. It is fundamentally treasonous and inhuman to protect and normalize genocide, and supremacy of another nation. Another 9/11 would only strenghten our loyalty/committment to Israel's blame for the next 9/11. They will once again "only hate us for our freedom".

When establishment speech is the one that should be exterminated, it obviously complicates exterminating anti-constitutional and demonic evil speech.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 74 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

I also enjoyed this perspective, a bit long form as its a substack post, but well written. Authored by Fear and Loathing: Closer to the Edge.

A couple of months ago, Laura Loomer was shrieking into her phone that Charlie Kirk had stabbed Donald Trump in the back. MAGA’s attack dog had him marked as a traitor, an apostate, another soft-boy conservative who wasn’t vicious enough for the blood cult. Then Kirk gets shot, and suddenly Laura is draped in black, clutching pearls, wailing like a widow at a mob funeral. That’s how fast the MAGA spin cycle runs: enemies are canonized, heretics become martyrs, and yesterday’s punching bag is today’s sacred cow. Loyalty isn’t about consistency. It’s about whatever Trump’s mood demands.

PETE HEGSETH, HALL MONITOR OF THE REPUBLIC

Now comes Pete Hegseth, a man who wears the title Secretary of Defense but operates more like the comment-section sheriff. Instead of worrying about actual defense — China, Russia, Iran, cyberwarfare — Pete’s priority is disciplining soldiers for making snide jokes about Charlie Kirk.

Yes, the Pentagon is now a glorified Facebook moderation team. Hegseth isn’t projecting strength; he’s enforcing pity. Soldiers aren’t preparing for war — they’re purging their timelines, terrified Laura Loomer will screech their names into his ear. This isn’t civilian control of the military. It’s civilian coercion, where MAGA influencers call the shots and the brass salutes like nervous interns.

THE BLACKLIST WITH A SEARCH BAR

Enter the grotesque centerpiece: CharliesMurderers(dot)com. A site so dystopian it makes J. Edgar Hoover look subtle. A searchable database of Americans whose “crime” is failing to sufficiently mourn Kirk.

They claim it’s not doxxing, it’s “education.” Bullshit. This is McCarthyism with HTML. It’s a digital scarlet letter, a witch hunt in the cloud. Post the wrong meme, roll your eyes at the wrong martyr, and congratulations: you’re on the list. Employers can search you, neighbors can shame you, trolls can harass you. Your livelihood isn’t safe because Laura Loomer needs another dopamine hit.

CANCEL CULTURE WITH A MAGA LOGO

Remember when these people howled about “cancel culture”? When they cried that a comedian losing a Netflix special was tyranny? Now they’ve built the most efficient cancellation machine in modern America. Only this time it’s not corporations doing it — it’s the government, the Pentagon, and a mob of red-hat lunatics demanding loyalty tests. You don’t just lose a sponsor. You lose your job, your security clearance, maybe your entire career. And it’s not because you committed violence. It’s because you laughed at violence. Thoughtcrime, MAGA edition.

GRIEF AS A WEAPON

This isn’t mourning. It’s weaponized grief. Kirk spent his career spitting on empathy, mocking victims of shootings, and treating compassion like weakness. Now the same movement that rejected empathy is demanding you show it on their terms — mandatory, performative, unquestioning. Don’t mourn? You’re purged. Don’t post a sad-face emoji? You’re dangerous. Cruelty has always been the point, and now grief is just another tool of cruelty. Charlie Kirk didn’t believe in empathy, and his allies are proving they don’t either. What they believe in is obedience.

THE BLUNT EDGE OF FASCISM

Let’s stop pretending this is theater. It’s not play-acting, it’s raw authoritarianism. Trump is the wannabe strongman. Loomer is the megaphone of madness. Hegseth is the hall monitor with a badge he didn’t earn. Together they’ve taken the death of a professional troll and spun it into a loyalty purge. They’ve turned the Pentagon into an instrument of political grievance and a martyr into a weapon. And they want the rest of us to treat this clown show like sacred history.

The only thing sacred here is the grift. The only thing holy is the purge. And the only thing growing is the list of Americans marked as enemies because they refused to cry on command. This isn’t about honor. This isn’t about respect. This is about power — stupid, brutal, authoritarian power clawing for control under the guise of grief.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, fuck these nazis, I don't really need any more reasons to hate them, but they keep coming up with them

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

At this point it's not just the Nazi leadership .... it's the citizenry that just sits on the sidelines waiting for it all to go away.

The country needs to stand up and shut things down. Not violently or to cause a civil war ... strike, stop work, refuse and picket everything and everywhere until things change or are brought under control.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 hours ago

I think the thing that terrifies them about communism the most is that the people wouldn't be so beholden to neo slavery via technocracy. It would be communities helping one another, mutual aid. Instead the greediest motherfuckers have sucked so much down that the people are getting wise to it, so they have to grasp at the straws they can. Don't get me wrong, it's working very well for them, but I'm seeing the house of cards getting higher every day.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

You are a Master of words and logic ! All too grim but true.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 108 points 17 hours ago

There is no requirement to take part in this whitewashing campaign, and refusing to join in doesn’t make anyone a bad person. It’s a choice to write an obituary that begins “Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer and loving father to six children.”

[–] Zier@fedia.io 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Promoting hate just to get rich. Conservatives are ugly on the inside & the outside.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

it's not to just get rich. They hate you, and want you to die. Things like that make them happy. Your suffering, pain, and those of your family. You're either them, or you deserve to die for not being them. That's how nazis work. The religion doesn't matter, but we've all seen how catholic nazis work in nazi Italy, and how christian nazis work in nazi Germany. All nazis fully supported by their hate churches, of course.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Just one of thousands of hate preachers indoctrinating the local population (and children) with the exact same extremist religious propaganda. Only religious extremists do this, and there are only religious extremists of religions that exist. Stop supporting religions. ALL of them.

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Not really sure what you are trying to say, but it sounds like you are way too focused on religion being a source for extremism in the world. Yeah there are religious extremists, but every movement has them, or at least has potential for extremists who indoctrinate kids or even advocate for violence against the detractors or enemies of the movement. Always has been and always will be.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I think the reason it looks like religion motivates violent extremism is because the demography of the people most vulnerable to extremist propaganda are also more likely (statistically) to be more religious.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

that nazi trash got what he deserved

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 24 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

even more to the point, he got what he wanted.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So I guess he wasn't proven wrong, good for him, right all the way to the grave

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Of course he was proven wrong. He shouldn't've been afraid of the left, when the far right are the extremist terrorists responsible for almost all domestic terror the over 20 years.

He was a nazi shouting about you should kill a peaceful gay hippie because they're so dangerous, when a nazi killed him.

That's called being very fucking wrong

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Exceptionally so. It may even qualify as some of the most divine irony I've probably witnessed

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago