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Okay are we going to talk about the Russian-NATO air disputes? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 1 week ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
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Usually this stuff gets posted here so I'm surprised no one has said anything.

Honestly I'm a little lost on what's happening? The west is obviously manufacturing consent for something, but idk what. More sanctions? More weapons to ukraine? More social welfare cuts? The revealed occupation of Ukraine by the west?

Or is Russia actually instigating this on their own? If so why? Just to test the current resolve of NATO? Maybe to see what NATO currently wants to do, in the event Ukraine falls and Russia/whatever Ukrainian state exists after has a border with a belligerent west?

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Russia's MFA denied it, but even according to what Estonia itself put out, the violation was Russia barely grazing their air space over open water:

Russia has to get to its Kaliningrad territory somehow, and they won't always perfectly thread the needle in the Gulf of Finland, that's just a geographic reality. It's happened before and it will happen again, with ships or planes. The Baltics need to get over their butthurt.

So this is another big nothing burger just like the Poland drones story. Of course the Euros are using it to fearmonger and saber rattle, but they do that with everything involving Russia. They always love having an excuse to talk among themselves and feel important.

And yes there are some who are desperate to draw NATO into direct confrontation with Russia, but that's not happening. The Europeans are useless and the US have made it clear they have no interest in that, their resources are already overstretched as is.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago

The US has been moving to remove their military support from the baltic region and I think this is their way to try and stop it. Its just Euros whining for attention from the US, and the US is too busy trying to invade Venezuela to care.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think its all just nato dogs barking to try to get trump's attention and it isn't working. The europeans want to actually go to war with Russia but usa isn't into it.

[–] dg2jeng@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

yeah its true the trump administration kind of wants to not continue the war, but the military industrial complex and dept of war aee really advocating for the war to continue bc theyre using ukraine as a research ground for fibre optic drone warfare. aside from the obvious profit motives thats why they want the war to continue.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to go all conspiracy brain or anything, but it's possible that the US bought some MiG-31 planes from Kazakhstan after the dissolution of the USSR.

Why we aren't talking about it... I can only speak for myself when I say that I'm over all these alleged airspace violations, they feel like made up reasons for Baltic warhounds to froth at the mouth. And what would Russia gain from acting aggressively against a NATO member?

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

NATO doesn't need to go to the trouble of actually putting MiG-31's in the air themselves to stage a false flag. It's not like they detect these planes by sight. You just need to fake or slightly alter a radar detection. You can just put out false data. Who is going to have the ability to verify whether Russian planes were off course by a few hundred meters? You have their word against Russia's and who is the MSM going to believe?

Russian planes fly through the corridor over the Gulf of Finland all the time. This is nothing new. Afaik Russia confirmed they were there, they just denied that they went anywhere they're not supposed to. Whether or not that's true i don't think matters, it's not going to change the West's narrative.

Now, Ukrainians grabbing some downed Russian styrofoam drones and sending them over Poland for a false flag is one thing. I'd say that is at least plausible considering there are some open questions about the range of Russian decoy drones that aren't exactly consistent with drones launched all the way from Russia and somehow, whether accidentally or deliberately, making their way all the way into Poland. But whole warplanes? Nah.

Let's not go into unrealistic conspiracy theory territory when there are far simpler and more plausible explanations that fit just fine. It's good to be skeptical, especially when we know that the West is waging a huge propaganda war, but it's also important to remain grounded in reality if we want to be taken seriously.

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

UK and the West always been anti-Russian for 200 years. First Great Game and then Cold War and now Ukraine-Russian war. I bet Baltic countries trying to provoke russia or making some false claims like an attention addicted to raise some tension to get attention from their big brothers