Add this to the list of things I’m thinking now that, if you told me a year ago, I’d have assumed you were insane:
- I genuinely hope large sections of the US military mutiny against the federal government over lack of pay
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Literally already happening...
We activated a handful of NG, and one of them is already talking "I can't do this without getting paid".
Like, it's NG so he's dumb as fuck for thinking he even has a say in if he works or not. But he hasn't even missed a fucking paycheck yet and he's already just openly contemplating going AWOL...
There's a reason the military got paid during every other shutdown (sorry Coasties).
Nice to know that's where they draw the line. Not, "I can't do this because I don't want to attack my own countrymen". It's the possible late pay that's going too far
Washington had to put down a potential mutiny of Revolutionary troops due to pay. Washington was able to do that due to grativas and the troops respecting him.
Puts wooden teeth in.
Do you take IOUs?
I mean...
We ain't exactly the boots on the countries neck.
NG are getting activated for a lot of things these days. We grab them for random office drone bullshit constantly, but they do all types of stuff. Not sure how common it is these days, but back in the day they'd even get them for state construction projects.
The headlines recently are just the ones activated to "cities" which makes zero operational sense, but that's not the only way the NG is utilized.
I can understand, at least. Risking court marshal is still better than your family going homeless. Everyone values the lives of people they know more highly than numbers on a screen.
This happened during the Obama administration, I was active duty in those days. I think USAA and AER had some programs if you needed a check during the shutdown, not sure if that’s happening these days.
I didn't experience it so personally but I'm only seeing one shutdown during Obama's terms. That's not to say that certain media didn't screech about it endlessly, of course.
Yes I was active duty during Obama's administration and there was only one government shutdown that I can recall.
I think military missed 1 paycheck IIRC and my Navy Federal Credit Union fronted us the money until the back pay kicked in.
Ah, yeah you’re right. My bad. I believe there were threats of shutdowns but they never happened. Still got some emails from USAA about what to do in a potential shutdown AFAIK.
Also, a lot of Federal Credit unions front government paychecks...
They credit normal paychecks a couple days early as soon as they see the amount coming in. Traditional banks wait til it's actually in your account.
So in a shutdown those places keep fronting money, but that was because they had faith back pay was coming. With trump openly talking about not doing backpay, that may change.
Navy Federal Credit Union was a popular choice, but there's a couple that handle it like that.
Then there's programs ran by the bases to offer financial relief even in no shutdowns, not sure how'd they ration their funds during a shutdown.
Then there's programs ran by the bases to offer financial relief even in no shutdowns, not sure how'd they ration their funds during a shutdown.
I haven’t seen programs run by the base themselves, but AER is Army Emergency Relief. They have a lot of money and will either give you a no or very low interest loan or often just give you a grant that you don’t have to pay back.
They probably want this so they can remove anyone who protested and then give bonuses to the ones who were loyal/subservient, and fill in the empty spots with more people who will fall in line and follow orders no matter how illegal they may be.
The image labels it the "democrat shutdown" but the correct term is really "Epstein files shutdown"
Somehow they had enough money to pay some to design that.
Fucking clown show
Yup. He won't allow this vote because then he would have no excuse for not swearing in the new Congresswoman.
So are ICE and the National Guard getting paid? I’m sure some of the people in ICE enjoy being assholes for free, but after a while it won’t pay their bills.
ICE is. But even before the shut down, they were jerking the NG around by deploying them for just under the amount of time that it takes to activate all their extra deployment pay.
Every source I can find indicates that is false. ICE is not paid during the shutdown. They will be paid when it ends
So, they're just shooting people in the face for fun. Got it.
At least Soldiers have the gumption to sham during my a shutdown!
Ice is not getting paid.
NG was getting paid when activated, they were getting cut right before housing allowance and other benefits kicked in. But they still got the base daily for being activated.
Now activated guard (for any amount of time) aren't getting paid.
Why aren’t more people complaining “ICE is getting paid but our troops aren’t” or “ICE is getting paid to kidnap Americans, but your flights are delayed because air traffic controllers aren’t”?
Because ICE isn't getting paid...
Well Trump said he was going to pay them... And I believe today is payday, so I guess we'll find out soon
Well Trump said
I don't know if you've noticed yet, but Trump just lies about everything.
Yes, but he may want his brown shirts paid up and loyal
He has a loyal following despite the harm he does to those very people. They live in a completely different world fed by Fox and other right wing grifters. They place the blame for everything bad on Democrats and use bad actors (in the literal "terrible acting" sense) to portray characters like "former Antifa member" and other bullshit.
Its a cult. They have their dear leader who tells them what to think and empowers them be loud and proud about their hateful ideology with memorable catchphrases and slogans and whatnot.
Yes, but when you lie to people about their paychecks, they tend to notice
ICE isn't being paid. The commenter was incorrect. Any anger would be misplaced
This is false afaict. ICE enforcement is considered essential, so they (like military members) will get backpay, but are not paid during the shutdown. See: https://apnews.com/article/trump-federal-shutdown-paid-congress-jeffries-schumer-thune-9ecc7db2e689c45d288268aabf061498
America is a crazy place. If i am not being paid, I am not going to work
But what if your employer forces you to under penalty of jail time?
Then it’s time to start identifying targets.
Oh no, anyway just a reminder that all unionization and striking was illegal until unions killed enough US military troops to force congress to recognize the bare minimum of workers rights and enshrined them in law. The reason it is illegal for your boss to lock you in a factory for an indefinite period of time at gun point is because your ancestors killed a lot of us army soldiers that were ordered to force us citizens to work or shoot them.
when/what was this, knew the police did this but never heard of soldiers being ordered to
Battle of Blair mountain and the west Virginia coal wars in general are the largest and most egregious examples.
I’d take jail time over e-mail time.
Free bed, free food?
Sign me the fuck up
Republicans are traitors to their country.
All because he doesn't want to swear in that new congresswoman.
Because she'll be the final vote to release the Epstein Files.
ALL of this is to keep the evidence of an enormous international child sex trafficking operation that included many of the highest members of our government and the most wealthy men in the world, from becoming public.
ICE isn't getting paid?
Shut it down indefinitely! We can fund all the good stuff with state-level taxes. The world can live without our Gestapo at home and imperialism abroad. At this point they're more harm than good.
We can revisit Federal government in three years. They screeched about less government for so long, let's give it to them while they're in power.
Those ICE jackals aren't doing it for the money, they do it for the love of the game.
Maybe but they've got rent to pay too.
Red state scabs like that probably get welfare. Besides, we've seen over and over that these ignoramuses would cut off their own dicks if it offended Libz.