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[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

This kind of shit will only increase as more of these companies believe they can vibe-code their way out of paying software devs what they are worth.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 261 points 2 days ago (11 children)

It's wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 136 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But if everyone else is down too, you don't look so bad 🧠

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No one ever got fired for buying IBM.

[–] cdzero@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The state government of Queensland, Australia just lifted a 12 year ban on IBM getting government contracts after a colossal fuck up.

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It's an old joke from back when IBM was the dominant player in IT infrastructure. The idea was that IBM was such a known quantity that even non-technical executives knew what it was and knew that other companies also used IBM equipment. If you decide to buy from a lesser known vendor and something breaks, you might be blamed for going off the beaten track and fired (regardless of where the fault actually lay), whereas if you bought IBM gear and it broke, it was simply considered the cost of doing business, so buying IBM became a CYA tactic for sysadmins even if it went against their better technical judgement. AWS is the modern IBM.

AWS is the modern IBM.

That's basically why we use it at work. I hate it, but that's how things are.

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[–] clif@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

One of our client support people told an angry client to open a Jira with urgent priority and we'd get right on it.

... the client support person knew full well that Jira was down too : D

At least, I think they knew. Either way, not shit we could do about it for that particular region until AWS fixed things.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 60 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It's mostly a skill issue for services that go down when USE-1 has issues in AWS - if you actually know your shit, then you don't get these kinds of issues.

Case in point: Netflix runs on AWS and experienced no issues during this thing.

And yes, it's scary that so many high-profile companies are this bad at the thing they spend all day doing

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, if you're a major business and don't have geographic redundancy for your service, you need to rework your BCDR plan.

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It is still a logical argument, especially for smaller shops. I mean, you can (as self-hosters know) set up automatic backups, failover systems, and all that, but it takes significant time & resources. Redundant internet connectivity? Redundant power delivery? Spare capacity to handle a 10x demand spike? Those are big expenses for small, even mid-sized business. No one really cares if your dentist's office is offline for a day, even if they have to cancel appointments because they can't process payments or records.

Meanwhile, theoretically, reliability is such a core function of cloud providers that they should pay for experts' experts and platinum standard infrastructure. It makes any problem they do have newsworthy.

I mean,it seems silly for orgs as big and internet-centric as Fortnite, Zoom, or forturne-500 bank to outsource their internet, and maybe this will be a lesson for them.

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[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 53 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Do you really want someone like the magahats having control over something like that?

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It should be seized by the ~~government~~ people and mercilessly decentralized.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Agreed same for Facebook then call it Readabook

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance.

Because it's cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.

It should be seized by the government.

Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@Alaknar @jali67 It is absolutely not cheaper. Monopolists have a tendency to raise prices once they corner the market. I took over maintenance of a journalism site and cut hosting costs roughly in half while increasing performance by switching from AWS to DigitalOcean.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

So, you changed one cloud provider to another...

But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you're doing and what you're putting on the cloud.

I've been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that's without operational costs).

Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else's DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).

There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering "why do we place so much reliance" on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Best alternatives is making Amazon something owned by the people and not any corporation/government but who knows if that would ever happen

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.

And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.

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[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 82 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I hate how Signal went down because of this... Wish it wasn't so centralised.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

My friend messaged me on Signal asking if Instructure (runs on AWS) was down. I got the message. That being said, it's scary that Signal's backbone depends on AWS

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[–] howlingecko@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have been able to use Signal like any other day. I haven’t seen any disruption in sending or receiving.

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[–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

according to that page the issue stemmed from an underlying system responsible for health checks in load balancing servers.

how the hell do you fuck up a health check config that bad? that's like messing up smartd.conf and taking your system offline somehow

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

Well, you see, the mistake you are making is believing a single thing the stupid AWS status board says. It is always fucking lying, sometimes in new and creative ways.

If your health check is broken, then you might not notice that a service is down and you'll fail to deploy a replacement. Or the opposite, and you end up constantly replacing it, creating a "flapping" service.

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[–] Trying2KnowMyself@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)
[–] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 19 points 2 days ago (6 children)

You guys don't selfhost a registry?

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[–] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who wants to bet Amazon gave AI full access to their prod config and it screwed it up.

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[–] RecipeForHate1@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 days ago

A bad day for Jeff Bezos is a good day for all of us

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 25 points 2 days ago (9 children)
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[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That explains why my Matrix <-> Signal bridge was complaining about being disconnected.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And I'm having a very good day now :3

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

that is an understatement 😂

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