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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Boo this article. It's solely the Dems fault that they capitulated

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unions have nothing to do with the decisions these dems made to take bribes in exchange for obeying the RNC.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

I don't agree. I like this paragraph from the article which captures my sentiment (the last sentence in particular):

"The main rationale provided by AFGE president Everett Kelley was that his members were suffering economically from the shutdown. There’s no doubt that this hurt is very real, and I do not doubt the sincerity of Kelley’s commitment to his membership. But AFGE’s leadership could have decided to pressure Republicans rather than Democrats to end the shutdown. That was a political choice."

Union leadership made a political choice, and it's reasonable to hold them accountable for that. This isn't about blaming the unions for the choices made by scummy democrats, but rather a related but distinct beef with the union. Even if the unions choosing to pressure the Republicans instead would have had no bearing on the outcome in this particular situation, their choice doesn't bode well for future issues where the unions' support (or lack thereof) may prove pivotal.

Here, the union showed that it was willing to sacrifice the long term wellbeing of their members for alleviating the short term harms. That makes me question the effectiveness of a union at all. After all, most successful strikes involve the union helping to cohere workers into an organising force, absorbing some (but not all) of the short term harms of striking. If we can't trust them to fight for the long term wellbeing of their members, then what is the union even for?

[–] UnkTheUnk@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

The Democrats who decided to vote for the deal are the worst kind of craven cowards, fairly explicitly going for it to protect the fillibuster.

but I think this capitulation is a much smaller than its made out to be. Paying government employees and SNAP payments over the hollidays is good, and in my opinion more important than holding out for a deal that would never happen anyway. The most important thing to me here is that it's a continuing resolution that doesnt go past January. There WILL be another shutdown, and that one might go even longer and will be AFTER the ACA funding has a separate vote. So we might actually have the shutdown messaging about the more important reasons why there shouldnt be funding, what with the fascism, and the corruption, and the Epstein, and the contempt for both the constitution and the very idea of independently verifiable reality.