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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

What is to be expected when the current trend among CEOs is to get the same stuff done with less employees and same salaries hence resulting in either you getting fired, resigning or doing x2 the amount of work with no real life improvements. Who would have the willingness to continue their side hobbies/project like contributions to open source when your main life is in shambles.

[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Open source should be funded by the tax-payers, or all code should be forcibly open-source (something like AGPL)

Any other models feels like they would create perverse incentives

Also recurring donations feels like a better way than one-time tips

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do you decide which open source projects are worthy of taxpayer money, and how much does a given project get?

I have a couple projects I’ve put up in GitHub as open source. Would they qualify? Or are you just talking about well known open source projects like Linux?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Same as all other tax funded projects, by some elected people who likely have no idea about the project.

Joking aside, we will see more of this funding due to governments moving to open source software as they tend to want to fund their own stuff.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

Each of them.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 19 points 2 days ago

Saudi Arabia.

All of them? Maybe an international consortium that pays devs in their home currency.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sure many people could point to hundreds of dangers around open-source programs relying on government funding. Yet, I can't argue that it seems to be a necessity.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Pay for your FOSS! I've paid far more for my FOSS than for any proprietary software.

If you believe in subscriptions, then subscribe only to FOSS software like Bitwarden, Tailscale/Netbird, etc.

Find your favorite FOSS projects on Open Collective and support them there.

And above all else, treat FOSS devs and maintainers with the utmost respect! They are the unsung heros who are building the only alternatives to the corpo-distopian hellscape of proprietary, enshitified, slop software.

Send a message to a dev today, just saying thank you to them for everything, and asking if you can send them a tip if possible.

Folks, let's treat each other lovingly please, FOSS has freed us, give back what you can, and never take it for granted.

To all the devs, maintainers, tinkerers, supporters, FOSS educators, and helpful community members across the FOSS world, thank you so much, and much love. ♥️

[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

I like Projects that provide an IBAN. I don't want to pay 3% to paypal or stripe just to donate to a FOSS project.

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[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago

Same deal with lawyers that go into public interest. It pays super low, compared to corporate and similar that has money to throw at their employees.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

A lot of FOSS projects are freemium based which seems viable for larger more complex projects.

In these projects it's common to see the developer get paid for adding features on top of the core version, for a SaaS version, for custom development, or for offering support.

Other projects with a lot of community interest - and a good "community manager" style organizer can attract contributors in the form of pulls, bug testing and reports, and widespread use which generates valuable marketing. These projects only exist because of the labor of love from the whole community.

[–] rockstar1215@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It’s funny how common this mindset is in the self-hosting community: “If I’m running it on my own hardware, the software should basically be free… maybe I’ll toss a tiny ‘tip’ if I feel generous.”

The logic seems to be that since there’s no ongoing server cost, the developer’s time, skill, and effort must somehow be worth nothing and that we should magically fund the entire project through some hypothetical cloud version that they themselves will never use.

It’s like showing up to a brewery with your own growler and expecting the beer to be free because you didn’t use their glass.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. If the software is free, then it's free. It's up to the authors how they want to license it.

Personally, I write code and publish it in the hopes that it will help someone. If someone comes in and says "there's this bug, fix it!" I will only do so if it will benefit me, or if I feel like it.

[–] rockstar1215@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The article and discussion here is about open source software which is not free software. Thats where the problem lies it is assumed that open source software has be free.

Freedom in software does not mean free software.

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[–] ksh@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Exactly right.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

To be fair - this mindset is hardly exclusive to self-hosters. The dotcom era itself kicked off because it was easier to get advertisers to pay for server costs than users.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 82 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If only there was a way to fund open source projects so we both could have better software for the world and paid employees..

I think you can guess which government body already do this. Just take a shot.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Big question is: how many of us are funding foss projects?

It isn't difficult, and with how popular some are, it wouldn't be long before the projects could hire one or more full time devs at good rates.

I support a few big projects I use every month through liberapay.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I think the bigger question is how many corporations are supporting foss projects? I'm sure a lot of us contribute a bit here and there if we can and I'm sure it makes a difference - but if some of these corporations, making billions of dollars profit, contribute just a tiny fraction of their wealth it could make a huge difference.

It's the same argument as recycling, turning off lights, walking instead of driving etc. etc. - yes there are 8 billion of us and if we all do it, it will make a difference, but the difference we make is still not significant compared to corporate greed.

We are being gaslit to accept yet another scenario where we socialize the cost and privatize the profit.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 1 points 3 hours ago

Big question or not, we can only control ourselves.

Everyone always stares at other people's resources and imagine how great it would be if those resources were used how we like, but at the end of the day, we control our resources.

So is it a big question if it doesn't really matter because we can't do anything about it?

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Love the enthusiasm, but let's stop casting this as an end-user-only problem. The real issue is, once again, large corporations using and taking advantage of oss while putting ZERO money or work back into oss. It's victim blaming with extra steps, and us blaming each other is exactly what the real culprits want.

If it makes us feel better that we can pay on a regulsr basis for these things, great. But massive oss projects can't thrive on a few of us donating.

[–] ksh@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Large corporations and exploitative, over demanding individuals are always going to be this way. We can only prepare for these kinds. I agree on paying them subscriptions on a regular basis, just as we pay large corp projects, and more people need to be involved.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope you didn't infer from my comment that we should stop individually supporting FOSS, that's not what I'm saying.

However, I will counter that I don't think you are current with the overwhelmingly massive imbalance of corporate vs personal use is currently in play on big Foss projects.

Ffmpeg is used by almost everyone with a video project, but not companies want to kick in any bucks:

https://m.slashdot.org/story/448966

We saw this back in 2015 as well with NTP, which almost everyone on the internet uses, yet the one guy who worked on it had to stop doing so temporarily in 2017 and get a job to support himself:

https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/ntp-needs-money-is-a-foundation-the-answer-

Not only do corps use FOSS at a higher rate by an order of magnitude than individual users, but they also profit from it.

[–] ksh@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not at all. I support individual paying for foss projects and then corporations should be made to as well. Corporation will not have morals until there is social pressure, even so they just pretend to or regulated by government standards.

We are on the same page, if you read my other comments.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, I see that now, thanks.

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[–] smeg@infosec.pub 103 points 2 days ago (2 children)

For example, the developer of asus-linux.org who made the kernel contributions for Asus ROG laptops and the accompanying ROG Control Center recently walked away, due to exhaustion.

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I couldn't find anything about this on the Asus Linux blog, am I just dumb and looking in the wrong place? I use Asus-linux and didn't know about this :(

Edit: ~~unfortunately it seems that bullshitters who make shit up on the spot have made their way over to Lemmy~~ boo me

[–] smeg@infosec.pub 3 points 19 hours ago

For myself, I make sure I've done my due diligence before I might accuse someone of dishonesty, rather than making a minimum effort.

From his Kofi: https://ko-fi.com/flukejones

I've burned out on LKML and many many other parts of the FOSS world. It's exhausting. As such, I will not be working on Linux for asus device. It's not something I can devote huge chunks of time to for free anymore.

Thank you everyone who has donated something over the last years.

Same on his Patreon

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm going to be honest, I have no idea how open source works. I can't imagine maintaining anything more than a tiny library that I can ignore six days of the week.

Also: open source relies on good jobs. You can only do it if you have a well paid low stress job with good hours. Those have been in short supply recently.

I think the free time covid gave, followed by the free time the layoffs gave, and AI have been patching / hiding the fact that the core model of open source is completely unsustainable in its current state.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I have a job like that, but I also have kids, so...

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So are closed source developers.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I've been using CachyOS and impressed by the array of available software, and it was only in the back of my mind, the thought; "Wow, so much of this is so refined and polished. I wonder who has motive to maintain it?"

Joke's on me, the motive is hardly there - and it's a shitty time for it with Windows announcing that 10 is the last version and that there are no plans for a new one.

I'm glad Valve has a profit motive towards open source right now, but especially in a world where fewer people can donate at random, I really hoped that the model wasn't specifically built to rely just on tip jars.

[–] simonlm@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I read this blog post yesterday and it was insightful.

Seems like we could solve multiple problems in one go here…

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