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Ukraine Is Jamming Russia’s ‘Superweapon’ With a Song (www.404media.co)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Mog_Spawn@lemmy.world to c/nottheonion@lemmy.world

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[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 58 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

“They think we make the attack on each receiver and as soon as one receiver attacks, they try to swap in another receiver and get a signal from another satellite. But when the missile enters the range of our system, we cover all types of receivers,” they said. “It’s physically impossible to connect with another satellite, but they think that it’s possible. That’s why they started with four receivers and right now it’s 16. I guess in the future we’ll see 24, but it’s pretty useless.”

They're just wasting so much resources and don't even know what they're doing. "Just keep putting more receivers, they can't jam them all... can they?"

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

that’s not even the most incompetent part imo

the fact that the missile tries to change direction too quickly and just breaks itself apart from the aerodynamic pressure is crazy… it’s literally hobby robotics 101 to put limits on acceleration etc

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's just the life of each software dev: don't need to account for this situation, because the target would never move by 10000kms within seconds. Plus, the buyer would never bring a failed unit back to ask for a refund, so why bother and spend more on development. Unless it's a liquid fuel rocket, you wouldn't be able to change Trust and speed once fired.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

but any software engineer knows sensors and inputs aren’t infallible … and neither is your code! you apply limits to account for anomalies, which should just be an expectation

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Any good software engineer who actually gives a fuck.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's the difference between a software developer and a software engineer.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the theoretical reason for doing that is that if you have to split jamming power over broader frequency range, then for every n^2 times increase in bandwidth, here number of channels, range decreases n times. however gnss signals are so weak, it probably doesn't matter, and if you're adding extra power per channel, then it doesn't apply

now if missile detects that gnss is fucked with (signal too strong, wrong direction, physically impossible location), the correct thing to do would be to fallback to inertial navigation while accepting that accuracy decreases until gnss can be received again, if at all, and acted upon. theoretically speaking, it's a matter of software update, better hardware also can help with that, so idk why would they release this. maybe there's something that prevents this

[–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They probably released it because the situation has changed in a way that makes the information irrelevant, probably because it's in the past, or knowing it could somehow damage the enemy. Any communication from a country at war should be treated as propaganda. Or, they know Russia will treat this as misinformation, so they are free to tell the truth.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 2 weeks ago

plenty of drone teams release geolocated videos day after they happen, but in this case i'll guess that real sauce is classified top secret, that thing is outdated info and everyone is five steps ahead

ahem

triple the defense budget

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/finnished-stopped-soviet-mines-with-single-polka-song-played-on-repeat.html

History kind of rhymes

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMszu_VgMfY

For those who want to hear the song

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There is also a Janet Jackson song that was breaking hard drives at one point... Sometimes music just works

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is some Macross level shit.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was instantly reminded of this. Particularly in the context of this ancient thing that I can't believe is still up. How is Angelfire still kicking? Their parent company is Lycos, which is also somehow not dead.

https://www.angelfire.com/sd/duo/laws.html

Number 20. And probably also 17.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

Oh my god, AF's home page feels like it's from 2004

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Angelfire is still around?!

I wonder if my old website on it is still up...? 🤔

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Thats cool as hell, thanks for posting

[–] Maiq@piefed.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope it MMM Bop!

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Baaaaaaby shark Doot Doo du-doot du-doo

...

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Go old fashioned with the song that never ends

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Very cool. Don't search the song's name though, and definitely not who is Bandera.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Is it okay to discuss this publicly? As funny as it I'd, I really don't want Russia to get informed.

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Night Watch uses a jamming system called Lima EW [...] Once the song hits, Night Watch uses Lima to spoof a navigation signal to the missiles and make them think they’re in Lima, Peru.

Those jerks are dooming those missiles with the worst possible fate: thinking they're being sent to Peru

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Peru is pretty cool, actually.

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For tourists, absolutely. For the average person born and grown there though? The government is unstable, poverty is rampant, and life standards are questionable at best

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sure. I know lots of Peruvians but they're mostly college educated. Inside Lima it's pretty nice but in the villages it's very poor.

[+] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com -15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Playing a Nazi song to own the Russians isn't as cool as it sounds, I'm afraid.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_father_is_Bandera,_Ukraine_is_our_mother!

I don't see Nazi shit here. How much do you get paid to spread Russian disinformation? Or do you just do this because you believe in the cause?

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bandera remains a highly controversial figure in Ukraine.[9] Many Ukrainians hail him as an example,[10][11] or as a martyred liberation fighter,[12] while other Ukrainians, particularly in the south and east, condemn him as a fascist,[13] or Nazi collaborator,[10] whose followers, called Banderites, were responsible for massacres of Polish and Jewish civilians during World War II.[14][15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah that checks out... I probably should have kept digging deeper than just the song. I'm just tired of the whole "Ukrainians are all Nazis and Russia is the real victim" bullshit that gets peddled around here.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I see you've already been corrected by someone who explained you who Stepan Bandera was. I don't blame you for not digging deeper than the wikipedia article of the song, but I encourage you not to antagonize people with concerns about Nazism and strong opinions about it on the internet.

As for why the Wikipedia article of a song to Stepan Bandera doesn't start with a warning about him being Nazi (or have a "Criticism" section at the very least), I hope that also makes you reflect on the bias in Wikipedia when discussing topics with geopolitical implications.

Stepan Bandera is a well known figure that has been discussed heavily since the beginning of the war, and his rehabilitation as a "Ukrainian patriot" completely whitewashing Nazism is extremely concerning to socialists like me, and even to non-socialists in neighboring countries like Poland.