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It just keeps getting worse - Firefox to "evolve into a modern AI browser"
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A non beneficial mutation at best.
this post was submitted on 16 Dec 2025
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They have pushed me back to Vivaldi.
LibreWolf all the way
WTF man, I just want a fucking browser.
I recommend waterfox and the DuckDuckGo browser, at least those 2 are good at least
No you don't, now suck down your government mandated AI slop and say thank you — you philistine.
I like to imagine that these CEOs just get like a million AI emails a day from alt accounts of Sam Altman begging them to put AI in everything and they're all too stupud to realize it.
That a way yo beat dead internet theory. Get IA hallucinate the web you browse and no need to webbrowser to have internet access.
First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
That's a good idea to put first. Of course, like do no evil, priorities change, so we'll need to keep a close eye on this.
Second: our business model must align with trust. We will grow through transparent monetization that people recognize and value.
Transparent is good, but if he things he's going to add value to monetization, he's smoking crack. There's nothing we want from a browser that's not already provided by a plugin.
Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
Nobody wants that. We already had all we wanted from them in trusted software.
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Well hopefully the different forks have their ducks in a row to strip all these “features” out down the road. So glad I use LibreWolf and not Firefox proper anymore
I don't think anyone actually read the announcement, just the headline. Here was the new CEOs actual first point.
"First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it."
AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn ~~off~~ on. That's how it should be.
I despise AI. I don't want it in my browser. If I want to use AI, I'll go to Mistral or Claude.
So no text to voice/voice to text, no translation, no ocr, no summarization, no scam detection? These are useful ai features to have in a browser IMO.
Plugins exist. There is no excuse for bloat8ng the browser with these seldom used niche features by default, espexially when they represent 5% if what the AI component is doing and the other 95% are harmful to literally every living thing on the planet.
I dont consider any of those features to be bloat. "Harmful to every living thing on the planet" wtf are you referring to here?
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First, there should be a survey on what users actually want, no?
Because if no one wants AI and it's "always a choice", what you really do is waste considerable resources with as the only results, more settings users have to go through before starting using their browsers.
there is absolutely zero reason to put ai in firefox
It'd be nice if it integrated with my local ollama instance and let me pick which models I wanted to use on the fly with whatever part of the page I want.
exactly it should be a firefox extension, anyone can install if they want it.
Local ML translation was pretty cool
I like the convenience for languages I don't speak, but when I checked it for Hungarian (that I do speak) the results are so much worse than Google Translate or DeepL, basically literal translation word-by-word, often completely losing the meaning and tone of the sentence.
Since everyone is mentioning browsers, what should we use on mobile now? Tor isn't really a option, since most sites won't let you access them by it.
I use Brave and haven’t had an issue with it yet. It has AI, but you can turn it off.
Also Waterfox
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compare to vivaldi flat out refusing ai, keeping mv2, and actually building a blocker and tracker into the browser.
Too bad Vivaldi is still based on Chrome.
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