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Summit divided on idea of loan secured against Russian assets, as Belgium seeks guarantees if scheme goes wrong

EU leaders are racing to secure a funding deal for Ukraine that has been cast as a choice between “money today or blood tomorrow”, but Belgium continues to oppose a loan secured against Russia’s frozen assets.

At a summit billed as make or break, EU leaders are discussing an unprecedented move to tap some of Russia’s €210bn sovereign assets frozen in the bloc days after the full-scale invasion of 2022.

Under the scheme, the EU would provide Kyiv with a €90bn loan to help keep Ukraine in the fight, as Russia ekes out gains on the battlefields.

Poland’s prime minister, Donald Tusk, said leaders had a simple choice: “Either money today or blood tomorrow.”

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[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Belgium needs to wake up, because Russia won't stop at Ukraine. Appeasement doesn't work. The only thing bullies understand is getting beaten. It's way less expensive, in terms of both blood and money, to fund Ukraine's fight than to let the cancer spread.

[–] joostjakob@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm not behind our prime minister at all, but the core of what he's saying is "we'll only do this if we share the risks involved among the whole EU". Given that no-one seems to be willing to do that, it would appear that he has a point that the risks are significant. I also heard him call the idea "theft", which sounds crazy in the context we're in. But then he's talking about the practice of taking money from countries we're not at war with, setting a bad precedent if you want to be a financial center for the world. That one's a little far fetched, even without a formal declaration of war, Russia isn't just a random country at this point we have a few issues with.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think the problem is that there isn't enough clarity with respect to the fact that NATO countries are already at war with Russia, but it hasn't been openly declared out of fear of escalation. Just as with the appeasement of Germany in the run-up to WWII, wishful thinking and the understandable desire to avoid the horrors and disruption of all-out war have weakened the response to Russian aggression, emboldening Putin. In my opinion, Denmark and other NATO countries that have been subjected to covert Russian attacks should invoke Article 5, and stop burying their heads in the sand thinking this will just go away. I know there is valid concern that the U.S. will bail on NATO, but it is what it is, and I think it's better to seek clarity than to just hope it works out.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the thing is there's no way to "share the risk". Belgium is legally responsible for the money. Other countries can promise or sign obligations that they will pay it back to Belgium in case they are held responsible in the future but in the end there's no way to guarantee it (governments can change, countries can pull out of treaties). So he's basically saying "we only do this if you do something impossible". In the end it's his decision to take and he decided he would rather not help.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

The problem is that in this ultrafinancialised world, changes in expectations can have immediate consequences.

If we take that money and eg. Saudi or Chinese investments leave Belgium, that will have immediate consequences.

Not that I approve of any of this, and we should help Ukraine more, but capital runs the world.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Surprise surprise, they agreed to do the bare minimum to keep the war running. Let's remember who negotiated it. If war with Russia starts in the future they will claim they did everything they could to prevent it. They didn't.

[–] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 days ago

Ok Chamberlain

[–] MolochHorridus@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All the money in Russian assets should be given to Ukraine in form of aid and weapons.

But, there is money to be made on the war so of course loaning that money is a way better option to bankers and wealthy businessmen around Europe.