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After the controversial news shared earlier this week by Mozilla’s new CEO that Firefox will evolve into “a modern AI browser,” the company now revealed it is working on an AI kill switch for the open-source web browser.

On Tuesday, Anthony Enzor-DeMeo was named the new CEO of Mozilla Corporation, the company behind the beloved Firefox web browser used by almost all GNU/Linux distributions as the default browser.

In his message as new CEO, Anthony Enzor-DeMeo stated that Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software while remaining the company’s anchor, and that Firefox will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.

What was not made clear is that Firefox will also ship with an AI kill switch that will let users completely disable all the AI features that are included in Firefox. Mozilla shared this important update earlier today to make it clear to everyone that Firefox will still be a trusted web browser.

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The real issue is not whether we are going to be force-fed this features or not, but the fact that a foundation with limited resources is going to spend any sizable amount of them developing a solution its users are not interested in.

Waiting for Ladybird at this point.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Mozilla shared this important update earlier today to make it clear to everyone that Firefox will still be a trusted web browser.

It would be trusted if that shit wasn't in there to start with. Isn't firefox like the big "extensions" browser? Why not make this an extension that people could download if they're stupid enough to want it?

They're acting like they're Microsoft tying IE to Windows 98.

[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Oh, it “wasn’t made clear” SUUURE. Addressing a blowback could be way better if you admitted a mistake instead of gaslighting your users. Not the way to earn back lost trust.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

This made me switch to waterfox

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I switched to LibreWolf when the privacy policy fiasco happened a while ago. It's funny how every few weeks Mozilla manages to demonstrate why I won't switch back.

The new CEO has also already lost me with this gem:

He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission.

Even taking the statement at face value, it's unacceptable for it to just "feel off-mission". It should be a clear "no, never" instead of some wishy-washy answer.

But reading between the lines, such a statement is not just an off-the-cuff remark, but at best a threat to their users, and at worst a way to gauge the blowback of such a decision. They must have already taken it seriously enough to come up with the $150 million.

If I had to put up a number, I'd guess there's a 25+% chance that Firefox will drop Manifest V2 in the next few years.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The reason the "kill-switch" wasn't made clear originally was because it literally didn't exist until users very vocally tool them where to shove their AI crap.

It was added on afterwards.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What? They've been talking about features that are now being called the "kill switch" for the better part of a year. Literally all they did that's new was give it a dumb name.

[–] ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Just to point out that per the discussion in the screenshot: Synthetic datasets are typically generated from models that were trained by poverty-pay Kenyans. This is basically ethics-washing.

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[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

Will stick to Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium but thanks anyway

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Can it also cause the AI pain when you flip the switch?

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The machine overlords of the future will remember you said that.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Rocko's Basilisk can gargle my dick and balls.

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[–] daellat@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Any Firefox forks that support HDR? I know ff doesn't on its own but I also don't really want to use chrome or edge. I'm open to suggestions.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 325 points 1 day ago (38 children)

Why not just ship it without any of the AI stuff and give users the option to install and use it instead of bloating the application? This also confirms that the stuff is essentially OPT OUT instead of OPT IN

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 19 hours ago

This should just have been an extension. Having this as a core integration makes the browser have more surface area for attack.

If compromised, it won't be an easy fix like disabling/removing an extension.

Looks like execs behind closed doors are just trying to water down the Firefox brand until it's hollow and then jump ship.

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[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

I've been a user of Firefox since before it was called Firefox. I'm exploring different options now and I'm not interested in how they try to bandaid this. I know if they put in a switch it'll eventually be taken out.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Too little, too late. I already switched and won't be returning as long as the CEO is still employed there.

Anthony Enzor-DeMeo can suck a dick and die in a fire. I hope your company fails due to your disastrous decisions.

[–] grindemup@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

What did you switch to?

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't Mozilla Corp. supposed to be an ethical enterprise? How's this ethical at all in any respect? How companies like these got convinced that so-called AIs are something users overwhelmingly want to use? Why, by default, users would want to fuck the atmosphere and several markets, so they can have shitty tweaked images and probably bad answers to the most simple questions?

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Thing about it currently is, these "ai" tools built into browsers are a huge security risk... they have access to basically everything the browser does. A prompt on some web page can tell the ai to go do what ever the he'll the attacker wants? Your bank login Details, sure why not! Your saved passwords built into Firefox sure why not... like no thank you

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

Does anyone even talk about what the “AI features” are?

Could I, liked recolor webpages? Automate ublock filters? Detect SEO/AI slop? Create a price/feature table out of a shopping page?

See, this would all be neat like auto translate is neat.

But I’m not really interested in the 7 millionth barebones chatbot UI. I’m not interested in loading a whole freaking LLM to auto name my tabs, or in some cutsie auto navigation agent experiment that still only works like 20% of the time with a 600B LLM, or a shopping chatbot that doesn’t do anything like Amazon/Perplexity.


That’s the weird thing about all this. I’m not against neat features, but “AI!” is not a feature, and everyone is right to assume it will be some spam because that’s what 99% of everything AI is. But it’s like every CEO on Earth has caught the same virus and think a product with “AI” in the name is like a holy grail, regardless of functionality.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Good enough I guess?

But why spend resources on useless features that nobody asked for and nobody's going to take advantage of? Instead of, you know, implementing anything that may benefit the users?

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It's opt-out, so the majority of users who don't even know about it will keep it on. That means Mozilla gets to steal their data and use it for profit, even if they don't interact with it directly.

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[–] vegan_communist@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 23 hours ago

I'm new to linux, so I didn't know linux's users hate AI It's heart warming S2

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 165 points 1 day ago (40 children)

Is there nobody with sanity left? This has blown up so much the user base clearly does not want it. Focus your efforts elsewhere. You gain marketshare by putting users first. Also fuck markets.

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[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I don't really know what an 'ai browser' is and at this point I feel like i really need to ask. What makes a browser "AI"?

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Serious and long answer because you won't find people actually providing you one here: in theory (heavy emphasis on theory), an "agentic" world would be fucking awesome.

Agents

You know how you have been programmed that when you search something on Google, you need to be to terse and to the point? The worst you get is "Best Indian restaurants near me" but you don't normally do more than that.

Well in reality most of the times when people just love rambling on or providing lots of additional info, so the natural language processing capabilities of LLMs are tremendously helpful. Like, what you actually want to do is "Best Indian restaurants near me but make sure it's not more than 5km away and my chicken tikka plate doesn't cost more than ₹400 and also I hope it's near a train station so I can catch a train that will take me home by 11pm latest". But you don't put all that on fucking Google do ya?

"Agents" will use a protocol that works in completely in the background called Model Context Protocol (MCP). The idea is that you put all that information into an LLM (ideally speak into it because no one actually wants to type all that) and each service will have it's own MCP server. Google will have one so it will narrow down your filters to one being near a train station and less than 5km away. Your restaurant will have one, your agent can automatically make a reservation for you. Your train operator will have one, so your agent can automatically book the train ticket for you. You don't need to pull up each app individually, it will all happen in the background. And at most you will get a "confirm all the above?". How cool is that?

Uses

So, what companies now want to do is leverage agents for everything, making use of NLP capabilities.

  • Let's say you maintain a spreadsheet or database of how your vehicle is maintained, what repairs you have done. Why do you want to manually type in each time? Just tell your agentic OS "hey add that I spent ₹5000 in replacing this car part at this location in my vehicle maintenance spreadsheet. Oh and also I filled in petrol on the way." and boom your OS does it for you.

  • You are want to add a new user to a Linux server. You just say "create a new user alice, add them to these local groups, and provide them sudo access as well. But also make sure they are forced to change their password every year".

  • You have accounts across 3 banks and you want to create a visualisation of your spendings? Maybe you want to also flag some anamolous spends? You tell your browser to fetch all that information and it will do that for you.

  • You can tell your browser to track an item's price and instantly buy it if it goes below a certain amount.

  • Flying somewhere? Tell your browser to compare airline policies, maybe checkout their history of delays and cancellations

  • And because it's natural language, LLMs can easily ask to clarify something

Obvious downsides

So all this sounds awesome, but let's get to why this will only work in theory unless there is a huge shift:

  • (Edit thanks to /u/korazail@lemmy.myserv.one, can't believe I forgot this) LLMs have the capacity to know literally EVERYTHING about you!!! It's a big privacy nightmare waiting to happen if companies aren't careful, and not to mention Governments and other organisations trying to get data for surveillance!!!

  • LLMs still suck in terms of accuracy. Yes they are decent but still not at the level where it's needed and still make stupid errors. Also currently they are not making as generational upgrades as before

  • LLMs are not easy to self host. They are one of the genuine use cases of making use of cloud compute.

  • This means they are going to be expensiveeeeee and also energy hogs

  • Commercial companies actually want you to land on their servers. Yes its good that your OS will do it for you and they get a page hit but as of now that is absolutely not what companies want. How are they going to serve you ads and steal all your data from your cookies?

  • People will lose their technical touch if bots are doing all the work for them

  • People do NOT want to trust a bot with a credit card. Amazon already tried that with Alexa/Echo devices and people just don't like saying "buy me a roll of toilet paper" because most people want to see what the fuck is actually being bought. And even if they are okay, because LLMs are still imperfect, they are going to make mistakes now and then.

  • There are going to be clashes of what the OS will do agentically vs what a browser will do. Agentic browser makers like Perplexity want you in their ecosystem but if Windows ships with that functionality out of the box then how much reason is there really to get Perplexity? I expect to see anti-competitive lawsuits around this in the future.

  • This also means there is going to be a huge lock-in to Big Tech companies.

My personal view is that you will see some of these features 5-10 years down the line but it's not going to materialise in the way some of these AI companies are dreaming it will.

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