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The knocks came at 2am. Hiding out at a friend’s house in a Beijing suburb, Gao Yingjia and his wife, Geng Pengpeng, rushed downstairs to meet the group of plain-clothed men who said they were police officers. Their son, nearly six, was sleeping upstairs, and Gao and Geng wanted to minimise the ruckus. They knew their time was up.

Two months later, Gao is in a detention centre in Guangxi province, southern China, charged with “illegal use of information networks”. His arrest was part of the biggest crackdown on Christians in China since 2018. It has prompted alarm from the US government and human rights groups, with some analysts describing it as the death knell for unofficial churches in China.

“We both knew that as Christians in China, there were risks,” said Geng, who fled overseas for safety with her son. “But to be honest, you can never be fully prepared.”

Gao is a senior pastor in Zion Church, one of China’s most prominent underground “house churches” with thousands of members across the country. His arrest, and those of more than a dozen other church leaders, came after months of increasing pressure on the network. But the crackdown has not been limited to Zion, prompting fears of a nationwide assault on Chinese Christians.

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Human Rights in China said more than 100 people had been detained in Wenzhou, a city in Zhejiang province, eastern China, in a raid on Christian groups last week. The US-based NGO said pressure had been mounting on Wenzhou’s Christians for months after a dispute about installing a Chinese national flag inside a local church.

Now Geng is grappling with a set of impossible choices: should she return to China to be nearer to her husband, but risk arrest herself? Should she stay in Thailand, a country that has relaxed visa policies for Chinese nationals but has a history of complying with deportation requests from Beijing? Should she go elsewhere? Earlier in her religious journey, she sometimes felt her prayers would hit the ceiling and come back down. Now her faith is steadfast, but she’s waiting for guidance: “Sometimes I wonder, is this real?”

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China has five officially recognised religions: Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism and Catholicism, but religious activities outside of officially sanctioned institutions are banned. Christians in particular have long gathered in unofficial house churches to worship away from the eyes of the state.

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In September, China introduced new rules banning unlicensed religious groups from holding online sermons. Xi Jinping, China’s leader, chaired a senior Communist party meeting in which he urged for the “Sinicization of religions”.

But pressure has been increasing on Chinese Christians all year. In May, the pastor Gao Quanfu from the Light of Zion church (a separate organisation to Zion) and his wife were arrested. Around the same time, several members of the Golden Lampstand Church, an evangelical network, were reportedly given lengthy prison sentences on charges of fraud. And over the summer, more than 100 Zion members were questioned by police and several physical branches forced to close.

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About 3% of China’s population identify as Christian, according to official estimates, a level that has remained stable for over a decade despite efforts by churches to grow their numbers. But that figure could be an underestimate, considering the increasing risks of publicly identifying as a Christian. Another survey from 2018 suggested 7% of Chinese people believed in some kind of Christian deity.

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[–] newaccountwhodis@lemmy.ml 1 points 25 minutes ago

This is learning from others' mistakes huh? Can't have religious zealot wreak havoc like in the US, or Israel...

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io -3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I’d feel worse if this was a native, “home grown” religion. Since Christianity in China was imported by Europeans, though, I feel like this is a foreseeable result of the husband’s irresponsible behavior. He should have grown up and put away his fantasies of an invisible sky wizard, especially when he became a father. YOUR CHILD COMES FIRST, DIPSHIT. How much of a zealot must this guy be?

Of course, the ultimate problem is the CCPs inflexibility. The kid had zero say in the situation, though, and it’s not like the CCP sprang into existence last week. His parents were supposed to look out for him, but consciously made an irrational, reckless choice instead.

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am absolutely not religious nor do I feel close to any ideology, but the framing of the problem here as "the CCP's inflexibility" whereas the parents made a 'reckless choice' seems a bit odd to me. This is another grave human rights violation by Beijing. What they did is -again- a crime against humanity. So the recklessness is the CCP's characteristic I would say.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

In this situation, there are multiple bad guys with complex motivations. The more accurately and harshly one describes the CCPs crimes against humanity, the less comprehensible and sympathetic the parents become.

When someone becomes a parent, their child is supposed to be their first priority. Instead, these parents chose to put their child in danger over nothing but a collection of legends. They did this for six years, despite knowing about the unjust, ruthless authoritarianism of the CCP. I’m not trying to downplay the cruelty of the CCP. I’m just angry, and mostly concerned with the child. Will this be on his record forever? Will he ever be allowed to live a normal life in China?

[–] randomname@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If ICE is deporting migrant families with a valid visa, is the U.S. then "inflexible"? Is it then a migrant father's 'reckless choice' to have entered the country with his children? (To be safe: The answer is, no, it is the U.S. state that is reckless.)

The most weird point with your comment is that you even offend the victim calling him a "dipshit" and a "zealot." How out of touch can you get.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If ICE is deporting migrant families with a valid visa, is the U.S. then "inflexible"?

Yes. If anything, “reckless” is a charitable description. My government is breaking its own laws.

Is it then a migrant father's 'reckless choice' to have entered the country with his children? (To be safe: The answer is, no, it is the U.S. state that is reckless.)

It’s possible for multiple parties to be wrong at the same time.

If the father entered the US before Trump’s presidency, then no, it wasn’t reckless at all. If the father entered the country after Trump became president, then yes, he was reckless. Trump’s loudly and frequently stated goal has been to reduce the number of immigrants in the US, and a responsible father would have been aware of that. Basic research on a country you’re moving your family to isn’t too much to ask.

That does not, in any way, shield the government from responsibility. They created this illegal, inhumane mess.

The most weird point with your comment is that you even offend the victim calling him a "dipshit" and a "zealot."

He put ideology before the safety of his child. To me, that’s not something that can be overlooked. I stand by my words.

[–] randomname@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 hour ago

I am not here to win an argument, but insulting the victim the way you do it while at the same time saying that China is just "inflexible" is unacceptable imo.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm torn as to who I'm less sympathetic to: pastors or the CCP. I guess the CCP, because of the overwhelming power imbalance.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 4 points 3 hours ago

Do you know something about these particular pastors that the article doesn't mention, or are you just generally hostile towards people who choose to follow a religion?

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I'll always side against the oppressor, the one with the power. Personally I don't hate religion because it's religion, I hate religion because it's used by the powerful to lie to the masses and manipulate them into behaving how the powerful want you to behave, monarchy was the ruler ordained by God because God is a king and rules over all creation and the monarch is God's tool of power over the world, just like how in the west capitalism is ordained by God because God loves freedom and the free market and that is the best way to care for his people.

As far as I can tell, these pastors weren't particularly harming anyone this is just ideological crackdown.