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So far, every country in the world has had one of two responses to the Trump tariffs. The first one is: "Give Trump everything he asks for (except Greenland) and hope he stops being mad at you." This has been an absolute failure. Give Trump an inch, he'll take a mile. He'll take fucking Greenland. Capitulation is a failure.

But so is the other tactic: retaliatory tariffs. That's what we've done in Canada (like all the best Americans, I'm Canadian). Our top move has been to levy tariffs on the stuff we import from America, making the things we buy more expensive. That's a weird way to punish America! It's like punching yourself in the face as hard as you can, and hoping the downstairs neighbor says "Ouch!"

And it's indiscriminate. Why whack some poor farmer from a state that begins and ends with a vowel with tariffs on his soybeans. That guy never did anything bad to Canada.

But there's a third possible response to tariffs, one that's just sitting there, begging to be tried: what about repealing anticircumvention law?

If you're a technologist or an investor based in a country that's repealed its anticircumvention law, you can go into business making disenshittificatory products that plug into America's defective tech exports, allowing the people who own and use those products to use them in ways that are good for them, even if those uses make the company's shareholders mad.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The only real solution isn't reactivating roombas but cutting dependence on US goods and markets. The US market is highly desirable from a purely population angle but isn't essential today. Moving to an alternative to the dollar, expanding production of essential goods to other nations, etc.

If you really want to spite the US use retaliatory IP lifting. "Ok, US IP protections are now invalid."

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

Just declare any simple script that does a wget on copyrighted information to be "AI". AI is immune from copyright infringement it seems.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago

Please do. Let this cess pool rot. Its not salvagable.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 87 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's obviously the right idea, Cory's been saying it to anyone who will listen for months if not years, but it would depend on governments doing something. How can it possibly happen then, if there aren't powerful corporate interests hiring lobbyists to say it in a way that politicians can hear?

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Be the change you want to see: start lobbying government for it.

[–] salacious_coaster@feddit.online 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

"Say it in a way politicians can hear" means bribes. You got politician bribe money sitting around? I don't.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago

Would you have $100 for your future? The population could bring the bribes.

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It surprises me from time to time just how cheap some of these politicians sell out for. If I could get together with my neighbours all contributing $50 and buy a legislator or two, we could probably get funds for a stadium.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"The former Royal Bank of Scotland submitter who was offered sushi rolls in exchange for helping try to rig the Libor rate-setting process has been banned by the UK's financial regulator." https://www.ft.com/content/23868e36-0095-11e6-ac98-3c15a1aa2e62

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[–] trajekolus@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

This is just defeatism. Not all politicians are corrupt. And even corrupt ones also have to respond to other kinds of pressures, if those are strong enough. Defeatism is what makes democracy die.

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[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how far you read, but he argues that it would only take one country's legislature to set this off and reap the rewards of nurturing a fully open alternative to the US big-tech stack.

With the US pissing off pretty much everyone else and losing allies by the day, it will only be a matter of time before the doors are blown open on this.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's a speech. He has a hypothesis at best, and expertly lays out one way for it to go.

If one country did it, they'd try to give them the Venezuela treatment.

Don't get me wrong, I think the overall concept has incredible legs, but the finer details of tit-for-tat and retaliation aren't quite fleshed out.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's why things have to happen in a certain order. You can't do the more aggressive economic actions against the US until after certain conditions are in place. First you need to cut dependency on the US for anything essential. Food and strategic resources like aluminum, steel, and energy. You also need a strong enough military to make any US military action costly for the US.

Once those conditions are met you can take further action. Hitting the US tech sector is more of a middle option. Manipulating the US bond market is the nuclear option.

Currently these options aren't on the table since the US can kick out the legs of that table if you tried to play those cards. But many things are quietly changing around the world while Americans are obsessing over Epstein files, Trump playing battleship, and Hegseth and Rubio fucking around with tinpot South American dictators.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But many things are quietly changing around the world while Americans

But many things are quietly changing around the world by Americans

Trump is not a lone mad man. Consider that the US can have coordinated their steps with western elites. E.g. why else would they have reacted indifferent to Venezuela?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

You might well be right, but I don't think enough time has passed to call this indifference just yet.

China is mad because it was already sourcing oil from there. Apparently, they had a contingent that met with M the day he was taken. So I don't think their vague threat really counts in this scenario yet.

America does have a decent-sized military and someone at the head who needs to prove himself every time he's challenged. Most countries don't really like it at least on the basis that they're next, but challenging him would be more likely to make them next.

These are the kind of things that take a long time to iron out. If they're going to do something about it, they're going to wait until a few others start to do things about it.

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[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Why whack some poor farmer from a state that begins and ends with a vowel with tariffs on his soybeans. That guy never did anything bad to Canada." Be-fucking-Cause they voted for Trump and they do not give one single fuck about how it affects anybody. But now they are like I didn't vote for this bullshit. Yes they did. They just thought it would not touch them.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Farmer was a pretty bad example. American farmers have it coming to them and do deserve a punch in the face for overwhelmingly voting Trump.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 17 points 1 week ago

They've had several punches in the face from tariffs, but keep insisting they walked into doors and it's all fine and still love him.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (8 children)

In light of recent events, other countries should simply stop recognizing US intellectual property claims as valid.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In light of recent events, other countries should drag Trump to the ICC and thence straight to the gallows.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

LOL have you never heard of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

Oh and guess who isn't part of the ICC?

I'd like to see these "other countries" drag Trump there. How? With what? This isn't Star Trek, you can't beam him mid-poop to the Netherlands.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If we can’t do it legally, we’ll just have to do it illegally. What’s important is that it gets done.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean, he's set the precedent - apparently it's now allowed for a country to just snatch the leader of a sovereign nation and run off with them

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Iirc this is an actual (as in offical and described in legislation) lever the EU can pull, unfortunately regardless of public sentiment many of its leaders are beholden US economic interests.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

They are becoming less beholden by the day for reasons Doctorow laid out.

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[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Give him the Sudetenland, I'm sure he'll stop after that. Appeasement always works!! /s

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Something not often discussed is the possibility that the UK and France might not have been capable of stopping Hitler through military force at that time.

I mean even later even after building up a bit more, France got curb stomped and the UK barely got out of Dunkirk. And that happened while Germany was occupying Czechoslovakia and part of Poland which took significant military resources from fighting the UK and France. There's a very real possibility that standing up to Hitler over Czechoslovakia would have gone even worse than standing up to Hitler over Poland. Sure the Soviets might have helped at that time, but their military wasn't even capable of taking on Finland at that point.

At any rate at the present time, the world needs to build up it's military power before standing up to Trump. We're saying it's because we're fulfilling NATO obligations (like Trump told us to!) or getting ready to fight Russia maybe. But military build up is happening but it's not going to happen overnight.

[–] smeg@infosec.pub 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

EU tech companies keep letting themselves be sold to US tech companies, or re-HQing to America.

Capitalism can't solve problems created by capitalism. The largest companies will always gobble up the competition, eliminating the alternatives.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Moving HQ to murica is usually done because of venture capitalists having it as a requirement for funding. If EU based startups want to be successful without it they require either funding from european VCs or figure out how to do compete without VC money.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Very much agree with this argument though it's not new. IP law has always been a secret weapon against US which is mostly a service economy country.

EU just seems too weak to take advantage of this though

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like the DisEnshittification. Actually why not call it Deshittification ? Just like DeGoogle.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Coincidentally, Doctorow is the one who coined ‘enshittification’ originally.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Moreover, Trump introduced major tariff exceptions for some countries. For example, the integrated North American auto industry would have been devastated if he hadn’t decided on 6 March to exempt goods from Mexico and Canada from the 25% levy that had gone into effect two days earlier. Goods from these countries now face no penalty if they are imported under the US-Mexico-Canada agreement.

This softening was predictable. US business would have suffered enormously if Trump had fully implemented the tariffs he had announced, let alone threatened, so it was never likely that he would persist with the worst of them. Trump regularly stakes out extreme negotiating positions, only to back down when the heat is on, even if he hasn’t gotten what he demanded from the other side. In fact, investors’ assumption that “Trump always chickens out” – known as Taco – has become a taunt. But when a madman threatens Armageddon, it is foolhardy to goad him into following through. The tariffs Trump has implemented are still very high.

Why haven’t Trump’s tariffs crashed the US economy?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/dec/29/donald-trump-tariffs-us-economy-inflation-employment-2026

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