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Yeah that's well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can't have that.

The AI companies put out a presser a few years back that said "Um, aktuly, its the humans who are bad drivers" and everyone ate that shit up with a spoon.

So now you've got Waymos blowing through red lights and getting stuck on train tracks, because "fuck you fuck you stop fighting the innovation we're creatively disruptive we do what we want".

I really fucking hate how his fans can just listen to him lie like this over and over and it doesn't affect their opinion of him. I remember falling for it a couple times before I started asking "Is this like the last time you promised dates?"

By that time it was a moot point, however, because that "pedo guy" comment was just around the corner. Now anyone who likes him after that needs to go to therapy to figure out a few things.

I won't comment on people who support him after the other things.

Can't do that. Then he would have to upgrade all legacy cars. And he is missing the lidar dataset.

But then he would have to admit being wrong for removing radar...

Tesla

POS Nazi *pedophile

Not just lower, a tiny fraction of the human rate of accidents:

https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

Also, AFAIK this includes cases when the Waymo car isn't even slightly at fault. Like, there have been 2 deaths involving a Waymo car. In one case a motorcyclist hit the car from behind, flipped over it, then was hit by another car and killed. In the other case, ironically, the real car at fault was a Tesla being driven by a human who claims he experienced "sudden unintended acceleration". It was driving at 98 miles per hour in downtown SF and hit a bunch of stopped cars at a red light, then spun into oncoming traffic and killed a man and his dog who were in another car.

Whether or not self-driving cars are a good thing is up for debate. But, it must suck to work at Waymo and to be making safety a major focus, only to have Tesla ruin the market by making people associate self-driving cars with major safety issues.

Isn't Waymo rate better because they are very particular where they operate? When they are asked to operate in sligthly less than perfect conditions it immediately goes downhill https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385936888_Identifying_Research_Gaps_through_Self-Driving_Car_Data_Analysis (page 7, Uncertainty)

Edit: googled it a bit, and apparently Waymo mostly drives in

Waymo vehicles primarily drive on urban streets with a speed limit of 35 miles per hour or less

Teslas do not.

A robot can theoretically drive better than a human because emotions and boredom don't have to be involved. But we aren't there yet and Teslas are trying to solve the hard mode of pure vision without range finding.

Also, I suspect that the ones we have are set up purely as NNs where everything is determined by the training, which likely means there's some random-ass behaviour for rare edge cases where it "thinks" slamming on the accelerator is as good an option as anything else but since it's a black box no one really understands, there's no way to tell until someone ends up in that position.

The tech still belongs in universities, not on public roads as a commercial product/service. Certainly not by the type of people who would at any point say, "fuck it, good enough, ship it like that", which seems to be most of the tech industry these days.

That depends entirely where the Tesla stopped, and under what conditions.