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[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 110 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Controversy... What controversy? It sounds more like blatant journalistic malpractice

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

A few years ago, blatant journalistic malpractice was a controversy.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] artyom@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When I suggested he be fired on another thread I received several responses saying "he made a mistake" and "he was sick", and many downvotes in return.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The comments here around this were so... Off. I guess nothing was certain, but we were supposed to believe that the author was too sick to write an article, but also writing an article and using an AI "tool" at the same time.

Hindsight is 20/20, but popular defenses at the time were

He wrote the article himself, he just got mixed up when experimenting with using an AI tool to help him extract quotes from a blog entry. (He is the head AI writer, so learning about these tools is his job.) It was nonetheless his failure to check the quotes he was copying from his note to make sure that he got them right… but an important bit of context is that he had COVID while doing all this.

I was the one who wrote that comment, and it was not an attempt to excuse all of his actions but a response to the following comment:

Someone deserves to be fired. Just imagine you’re paying someone to do a job and they just 100% completely outsource it to a machine in 5 seconds and then goes home.

Here is the full comment that I wrote, including the part you snipped off at the end:

He wrote the article himself, he just got mixed up when experimenting with using an AI tool to help him extract quotes from a blog entry. (He is the head AI writer, so learning about these tools is his job.) It was nonetheless his failure to check the quotes he was copying from his note to make sure that he got them right… but an important bit of context is that he had COVID while doing all this. Now, arguably he should have taken sick time off instead of trying to work through it (as he admits), but this would have cost him vacation time, and the fact that he even was forced into making this choice is a systemic problem that is not being sufficiently acknowledged.

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[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I did not downvote you—my instance does not allow or show downvotes, which is really nice!—but he was sick, and he did make a mistake, and him being fired does not make either of those things false.

Also, a ton of people were piling on him in that thread, so you had plenty of company in calling him to be fired.

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[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amazing. Just great.

Imagine being confronted for lying and just going "hey it was an accident okay I didn't MEAN to decieve people, I just used the machine known for deceiving people and willingly put my name on its deceptions and it deceived people!" and having people defend you.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually, he completely admitted to and took full responsibility for his mistake; at no point did he offer an excuse, only an explanation.

To the extent I was defending him, it was because people insisted on painting him in the worst possible light, and on misinterpreting his explanation as an excuse, not because I think that everything that he did was okay.

[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You do have a point, after reading the article. That's a bit embarrassing for me, honestly. Ragebait got me again, it seems...

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm not taking all the credit but I do hope those people who didn't believe me in the past could rightfully take this comment, print it, pull down their pants and shove it up their ass.

It's time to hold journalism with a higher standard and this idea that "well they do alright" and "it was only once" is bullshit sliding into madness.

Just the facts, folks.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The problem with your attitude towards this is that these companies are forcing "AI" down everyone's throat. It's a requirement now to churn out more bullshit than humanly possible.

This person was simply fired because they didn't catch the false information, and not because they used the tools forced upon them.

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair to Ars Technica, that doesn't sound like the case to me.

The "journalist" in question seems to be suggesting that this was their own bad judgment to use AI to "find relevant quotes" from the source material.

Having said that, there's also a senior editor on the by-line who hasn't been held accountable for clearly failing to do their job, which as I understand it, is to read, edit and verify the contents of the article. So in a way Ars seems to have a problem with quality whether or not the use of AI was mandated.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ars is owned by Conde Nast who has multiple whistleblowers saying AI is being forced on them. Think that's kind of relevant.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

Is there any evidence this is happening at Ars Technica? They're pretty transparent about their methods, and obviously tech-savvy. Just because it happened at Teen Vogue doesn't mean it's happening at Ars. Conde Nast publications seem to be run pretty independently. Take The New Yorker, their content remains amazing and seems fully independent.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Most companies have AI forced, either directly or indirectly ("you need to double your output, AI can help..." kind of thing)

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago

I don't work at Ars, and maybe you know something I don't, but I have seen nothing to suggest that they're one of the companies doing that. It seems like they are pretty open about how they do not allow AI to be used in the process. Have they said something to indicate otherwise and I just misssed it?

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Sifting through information to find out what's true and what's not, before presenting it to the public, is a pretty crucial task and ability for an actual journalist though. It is probably one of the most important parts of their job to verify the correctness of their sources and what they write regardless of whether or not they use AI tools.

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[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

Main character moment.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

and “it was only once” is bullshit

They checked and then fired the author. I don't see how this is "it was only once" implying nothing changed and it will happen again. Isn't firing the author "holding journalism to a higher standard" already, which you ask for?

[–] tangeli@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Maybe they should do more than just fire a person who was caught using AI. Maybe they should establish a process of independent fact checking before publication, regardless of whether AI was known or intended to be used to produce the article. It is a problem that AI was used in a way that introduced factual errors. It's fair that the person responsible for this was fired. But all processes need quality control. Why hasn't the person who failed to wrap quality control processes around the author fired?

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Whoa. There are actually consequences? ArsTechnica is actually sorry??

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No, the worker was fired and the executive whose job title is making sure that the work submitted is correct was not fired.

The executives will get a bonus this year.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

Copy editing won't be an executive's job. But yeah, they didn't do the bare minimum which is concerning, it seems to indicate that they may not do the bare minimum on all of their articles. How much stuff went undiscovered?

I'm not going to outright say that journalist shouldn't use AI to write articles, because it's basically an enforceable rule, but there should be someone at some point whose ultimate responsibility is to make sure that the articles are at least factual, whether they were written by a human or not. Determining whether a quote is legitimate is pretty easy, you just have to Google the quote, if you can't find any other sources you start to ask questions. As I said it's the bare minimum they could have done.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

The executives will get a bonus this year.

well of course! they just saved a lot of money on wages, they deserve it!

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[–] kieron115@startrek.website 29 points 1 week ago

Journalistic integrity? On my internet? Well I never.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

"futurism has confirmed". Later on the article: "reached out to three parties, no replies and no comment".

Huh? So how did they confirm?

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 1 week ago

"I ain't never said no such thing" - Albert Einstein

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago

Seems fair. Was a pretty big fuck up. Might deter others from making similar fuck ups.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

As they should

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