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See, this is why I fucking hate copyright law. It’s so fucked and even though this is clearly fucking bogus, watch them find some kind of loophole and set a precedent
Information should be free. It is as shackled as the rest of us under capitalism.
PRS claims "many game titles which incorporate PRS members' musical works are made available on Steam," including "high profile series" such as Forza Horizon, FIFA/EA FC, and GTA.
Insanity. It's like suing a grocery shop for selling the xyz branded milk for using their copyrighted font.
It’s like suing a grocery shop for selling the xyz branded milk for using their copyrighted font.
I came here to make this exact point.
The real reason they do it of course, is that Steam is big, and they can get more money from Steam if they win.
Juries are very unpredictable in such cases. And that's what they are playing on.
Juries are very unpredictable in such cases. And that’s what they are playing on.
This is in the UK, except in very rare exceptions, we don't have juries for civil matters.
Ok thanks, I assumed it was in USA, since Valve is American.
Also frivolous suits tend to happen most in USA.
That myth was largely created by McDonald's after they were sued for giving a lady third degree vagina burns and a fused labia. "Haha, Americans are so frivolous with lawsuits, they'd sue a company for serving coffee hot enough to make you need skin grafts".
Theres also the factor of suing steam is like getting to sue all the ofenders at once without actually putting in the work to sue each individual studio that used the music.
What are the odds that PRS doesn't represent the rights on the music they claim to?
I'd like to say highly likely but upon reading a bit on what they are, it's highly unlikely. They're a union focusing on publishing right of music, so they definitely represent the owner of the music. But still insane.
They just want to cash in twice.
Does the RIAA know these scammers are trying to muscle in on their scam?
They're arguing it under section 20, probably this part
the making available to the public of the work by electronic transmission in such a way that members of the public may access it from a place and at a time individually chosen by them.
It looks like they're arguing that by hosting the games valve are acting as a pirate MP3 site.
I think they would have to prove that they did so knowingly, which can only really be done if they ignored takedown notices.
That is silly, though, since that's something that each developer should be arranging for as part of obtaining the rights to use the music. Either the developer has the rights to use the music as part of the game (and thus sell the game with the music), and by extension Valve can be granted the limited right by the developer to transmit and/or perform the music (in trailers), or the developer does not have such rights and they should not be selling the game in the first place.
There is much to critique Steam for... This? This is nothing but a cash-grab, in my opinion.
They're probably going after Valve because they have more money.
Now do physical game label printing organization lawsuit for decreased profit from enabling digital sales.
This was inevitable after valve caved to pressure from card processors. The sharks have smelt blood.
Gaben really just should've said "fuck you" to card processors and created his own PayPal-like system that doesn't expose purchase data to card networks and is big enough that the networks can't afford to lose them...
Wait what? Why would valve need to license the music? They're not making the games...That should be the responsibility of the game studio or developer that makes the game that uses the music.
You always sue starting from deepest to shallowest pockets.
I have some experience in licensing music in the UK. it's simple and cheap and it means the artists get paid (well the record labels, but that's another problem)
You paid a tiny amount of the profits you made after filling in the form which is pretty much just name and address and the tracks you used. It was something like £20 to play 5-10 songs for a three week run of a live show
Oi do you have your music loicense?
Unless valve is ignoring court judgments that the content is infringing they can GTFO.
... idiot attorney took this case
This is probably bogus and already covered in steamworks' terms of use, I'm going to check but I expect them to have some kind of "you (the developer) are responsible for clearing copyrights stuff" clause
TOU doesn't supercede law, but this lawsuit is probably bogus anyhow (then again UK can have some crazy laws and their judicial system is weird).
Do these lawsuits backfire if the ones suing lose? Cuz this is very clearly not on valve to sort but the games. I'm guessing they are hoping to strike gold with 1 lawsuit as opposed to having to go after the game developers individually, who may just stop using their work in the future which valve can't do.. because they don't use their work already.
But is it just a case you made lawsuit you lost, oh well some lawyer fees and it's over? Or do they have to pay valve for wasting their time and their legal expenses too?
Can't they just leave the one company that's been consistently good to its customers alone?
Wait- that lawsuit is stupi- oh ok, it's from UK, it make sense
Lately a lot of stupid lawsuits were made in UK...
Copyrasts kick each other. I hope both sides will be harmed. A lot. Alas the customers will pay for any damage anyway, but at least it will be some show.
