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[–] Anaeijon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Unknowingly?

Ingress was quite transparent about the goal of gathering real-world data to allows development of future technologies like self-driving and navigation.

It's the reason, why I started playing it around 2012.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I'm perfectly fine telling Big Data that where I walk is a walkable path or that the PoIs I pass exist there. There are just as many positive uses of that info as negative.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Most people just want to collect Pokemon and don't read up on what the company that made the app is doing.

[–] AnotherPenguin@programming.dev 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Just like recaptchas training OCR

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 11 points 8 hours ago

Not even the first alarming issue with Pokemon Go

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 35 points 10 hours ago

If anyone ist surprised by that they should look up why niantic was ever founded.

It was always about data collection in the real world.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 112 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (12 children)

Nothing is free. All free services are using your data somehow.

If you’re not the customer, you’re the product.

In this case, it was mostly children’s data.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 82 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

If you’re not the customer, you’re the product.

Except most free and open-source software, major open knowledge bases, literally the social media service you're using to communicate this point right now...

While understandable when talking about services by for-profit corporations, this talking point without that context is oversimplified to the point of being obnoxious in a world where I can set up a desktop OS with a fully featured environment and software suite then go browse a social media site where at no stage was anything free where I was the product.


Edit: Moreover, an arguably worse problem with this saying in 2026 is that it implies (doesn't outright state, but implies to an uninformed reader) that paid services can save them from this, which these days is almost universally untrue.

[–] redhat421@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, revised version:

If you're not paying you're the product. If you are paying you're still the product and paying for the privilege*.

  • Except for not for profit software / platforms.

Humm, that's not as pithy.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah, I didn’t think I needed to make clear I meant with for profit companies like Nintendo.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 hours ago

True for Corps but not everything

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 33 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Pokémon Go already has multiple revenue streams, including direct in-app purchases.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 142 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

the same budget

How much did this it cost to collect all this data?

What cost? The data collectors paid us!

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 60 points 20 hours ago

But you don't understand! Some of those Charizards were shiny!

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[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 24 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Is this bad? I mean I guess it has the potential to damage delivery workers, but isn’t working for grubhub or doordash already kind of a scam anyway? That’s before we consider that the likelyhood of any product coming to market that could actually successfully do deliveries. Sounds like a job complicated beyond the capabilities of any robot now or in the near future anyway.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 58 points 15 hours ago (12 children)

It's bad under capitalism, because it means that the ruling class get to keep an even higher percentage of profits.

Under socialism, it's good.

Fully automated luxury gay space communism would be awesome, but until we get socialism, we should take cues from the luddite movement.

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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 20 hours ago

This is - unfortunately - not surprising. Niantic has always been in the business of selling/using user data for profit, they were a spin-off from Google after all. Their first big game, Ingress, was used to train Google Maps.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 34 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

And this is why you dont take AR scans of pokestops/use ar mode. The free $1 poffin isnt worth the betrayal of the area.

Goofy.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

When I played I just spoiled the data. I found out that you can just hold a white piece of paper in front of the camera and bounce your phone lightly up and down to simulate movement (since they want you to walk around the real world location you’re photographing). Other persons I played with just photographed their shoes, so Niantic only had useless photos.

I’d guess the majority of players properly adhered to guidelines when doing AR field research. A small minority probably uploaded useless data.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Hey! Whoa! That's uncalled for!

......Goofy isn't even a Pokemon.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 41 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I feel like this was common knowledge back in 2016. Is this surprising to anyone?

[–] doctor0710@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

This comes up every couple of months like some freshly uncovered secret. You can see it in Google trends too. I'm surprised to see this being so prevalent over the fediverse, I thought karma farming wasn't a thing over here. 

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I thought so too. I seem to remember it almost being a selling point. Like: "Your adventures are being used to improve maps and train AI systems for the future of humanity! Yay!"

But I had a look at their old pages from 2017-2020ish in the Wayback machine and there's no mention of it. In fact, their privacy policies seemed to try to make it very clear that they don't sell or share user data except where needed to deliver the service or in anonymised aggregate to third parties (48 people went to your business while playing Pokemon!).

There's some mention of using it to advertise but none of them mention using it to build an advanced geo-spacial dataset for AI. Unless I'm missing something or reading it wrong?

Might be a Mandela effect.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Definitely not Mandela, but maybe it’s something Google never officially confirmed.

Here’s an article about Ingress, the spiritual predecessor to PkmnGo. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628936-200-why-googles-ingress-game-is-a-data-gold-mine/

[–] anzo@programming.dev 3 points 10 hours ago

I am one of the lucky 10,000 today 😄

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 25 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I thought they were working on getting people to Pokémon Go to the polls!

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Holy shit that was almost 10 years ago. Time flies when everyday gets shittier and shittier.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Time flies when you live in a time sucking vacume of existential dread, exacerbated by a deadly global pandemic which was made even worse by a political party trying to prolong the death hoping to gain a political advantage in the then upcoming election.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I Agree 💯💯💯

All I want is for politics to be something I only have to think about a few months before Election Day. My grandmother who’s in her 80s told me that was the way it was back in the day. Republicans ruined American society all because they are a bunch of stuck up loser bitches and are do nothing good organized criminals.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Republicans (and Democrats) ruined American society because people only thought about politics a few months before election day.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I always thought that Joe Biden's campaign slogan should have been "Make Politics Boring Again"

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Let's go to sleep for four years! Yeah, see how well that turned out?

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