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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jane Hume doesn't support WFH.

Did they misquote her or was she dropped on her head as a child?

But it doesn't help small businesses. It certainly doesn’t help the truckers and the fishers and the farmers and the manufacturers and the miners that are relying on fuel supply.

Actually encouraging or dare I say mandating WFH for office drones would help those who can't WFH as it reduces demand for fuel.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Reduces demand and reduces the amount of traffic on the roads, which has the dual effect of further reducing demand (since the trucks themselves get places faster and more smoothly, using less fuel) and also improving operational efficiency because trucks arrive sooner and more predictably.

[–] PDFuego@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's so obvious. I've never had a job that was possible to do from home, but everyone being home and off the roads helps so much. I had a driving job when covid hit. Everything about it was easier, faster and less stressful when most people were staying home, and oh would you look at that, driving when you're less stressed is another way to save fuel because you're less likely to thrash your car. Whether you're able to personally do it or not, WFH benefits everybody. Well, all of the actual workers anyway, but we know how the Liberals feel about us already.

Edit: Ok maybe not everybody, I imagine cafes and whatnot that rely on people heading into the office likely struggle a bit. But you get my point.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 13 points 1 month ago

You'd think it's obvious, but every time any government or council tries to do something to improve public transport options or bike paths, both of which also take cars of the road and make it easier for drivers, people come from all over to complain about how they have to drive and therefore it's a bad idea!

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

WFH benefits local cafes and restaurants.

Staying cooped up at home during the workday, and evening isn’t healthy. With the money saved by not having to drive as far, people also have more disposable income and normal people can afford to walk down to their local cafe and buy a coffee before work, or take their beloved out for dinner after work.

Bookending a WFH day is also healthy for Work-Life balance.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

afford to walk down to their local cafe and buy a coffee

i see you haven't visited Australia vast shithole suburbs recently ? endless tracts of ticky tacky houses packed in and no facilities ?

an anecdote, we used to live across the road from a massive shopping center, in a 15 story building, 4 towers. You could walk on footpaths, one proper pedestrian crossing and be there. Endless cafes etc and I'd estimate 70% of people from our complex drove. Would have been hilarious if it wasn't sickening :(

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Some suburban hellscapes do include cafes and restaurants.

Often they are enclosed in homemaker centres or shopping centres, but occasionally they are in a park or community centre, with a nice relaxing ambiance.

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. Higher speeds increase fuel consumption, and traffic light timings don't change with fewer cars on the road. They might save a little on roundabouts but for the most part I think the effects would be negligible.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago

Higher speeds increase fuel consumption

I believe most cars are at their most efficient at city cruising speeds of 50–70 km/h. Because there's a trade-off between air resistance and the efficiency of the engine & gearing.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Our work said no. Honestly i kinda hope we run out of fuel. Allies of the US need a kick in the bum to make a move on trump and this is it. This shit is getting expensive, and thats before you think of the live's lost already. Just embrace China, why fight it. Change is the only constant

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need to speed-run to the “And Find Out” part for all the fucking around by the powers that be.

Unfortunately the MSM and MSSM are pushing the Xenophobic narrative that our current societal collapse is not due to people being fucked over by big business, sexism and fascism, but by anyone who is not the same as you.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

and why we're seeing the rise of toxic shit stains like ONP.

[–] FreedomAdvocate -3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If that’s the lesson you think needs to be learned, you’ve learned the wrong lesson from this.

We need to take more ownership of our petrol/diesel/oil supply. We need to stop relying on other countries for things we can do right here at home.

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who is this "we" who is going to take ownership of this?

The neo con govt that jumps when any industry sneezes?

The energy companies themselves going to do it because they are all about doing what's right for the country / consumer / anything other than profits?

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

White people. They're talking about white people.

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This energy crisis is already the product of white people.

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 0 points 1 month ago

Sure. I just meant that this person is a March Australia supporter, not just a naive 'proud aussies' who went to one of the larger rallies, but a committed to the cause type.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All energy supply. And also all energy infrastructure.

This covers both Fossil and Renewable.

Corporate Astroturfing against Renewables needs to be exposed and banned. All political parties need to acknowledge that Renewable is the future, but our reliance on Fossil fuels are the bootstraps we need to pull on to get there.

Infrastructure needs to be Compulsorily Acquired for the nation through Eminent Domain. (Including other utilities and financial infrastructure and assets).

The Public Sector needs to be constantly audited to prevent any pork barrelling and corruption needs to be exposed as the crimes they are, with legal ramifications for those who are exposed.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What we call “renewables” currently is not the future because it’s all contingent on having non-renewables to make the “renewables”. We need to somehow invent batteries and solar panels that can be made using nothing non-renewable, but we’re not even close.

There’s more astroturfing for renewables than against it.

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We need to somehow invent batteries and solar panels that can be made using nothing non-renewable, but we’re not even close.

This is simply untrue. Here's an in depth Technology Connections video about renewable power, including the ease of recycling both solar panels and batteries

Solar panels are 90% recyclable and most parts can be easily separated by hand. The aluminum, glass, silver and copper can then be simply melted down. The only reason it isn't more common is that the labor costs are more expensive than buying virgin raw materials - a capitalism problem, not a technical problem.

Likewise, most batteries are recyclable by simply separating the electrodes and melting them down. For alkali metals like Lithium and Sodium you have the complication of having to work in an inert space but that doesn't make it impossible, just more work (Edit: Ask a chemistry graduate, they have probably done this in a glove box before). Again, it's a problem of the labor cost of recycling being prohibitive, not a technical problem. Lithium batteries are 98% recyclable.

The suggestion that 98% recyclable batteries are somehow less sustainable than oil-based fuels that are literally burnt up and completely unrecoverable is ludicrous.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 1 month ago

There a difference between being recyclable and being economically viable to recycle them. It’s not economically viable to reclaim the recyclable material from solar panels, especially in Australia where you’d have to pay someone $40/hour + super + taxes + everything else to do it. It’s not a “capitalism problem”.

I didn’t say that batteries are less sustainable than oil. Batteries, however, require oil to be manufactured - like all the “renewables”, and they’re not economically viable to recycle even the recyclable parts. As wholesale costs reduce they become even MORE unviable to recycle.

There is simply no know replacement for oil, and there is no “renewable” energy without non-renewable materials. This is the problem that needs to be solved, and we are still not even close.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you your saying is true, then the Astroturf campaigns that are funded by the Fracking Companies would focus on the unrecyclability of turbine fins/blades, solar panels and lithium batteries.

In this case, they would be sued by battery and solar panel manufacturers and it would go to court.

Instead, the astroturfing campaigns focus on ridiculous claims like “birds will get hurt when they fly into turbine blades” and “high-tension power lines look ugly and hurt my feelings”.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That’s some bizarre and nonsensical logic.

Are you saying you disagree that “renewables” are made by and using non-renewable materials? Or that there’s no astroturfing by the pro “renewables” side? Simon Holmes a Court alone spends tens of millions of dollars a year astroturfing.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We export like 90% of our crude oil and we've only got like 2 refineries so we also import like 80% of our refined oil.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point exactly. We shouldn’t be exporting it, and we shouldn’t be importing it.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So how do you replace the billions lost?

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don’t need to. If we make our own oil industry in Australia we will be significantly better off.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well best of luck with all that mate

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If that’s the lesson you think needs to be learned, you’ve learned the wrong lesson from this.

As another person said, we're at the "And Find Out" stages of climate change and fossil fuels.

We need to take more ownership of our petrol/diesel/oil supply.

Or maybe we could shift away from the fossil fuel fetish toward sustainable sources of energy.

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Renewables” aren’t sustainable because they’re made with non-renewable materials.

There is no known replacement for oil. None. It’s in basically everything the world runs on and uses. We need to be producing our own until a replacement is found.

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What non-renewable materials?

What is less renewable than literally burning a finite resource?

[–] FreedomAdvocate 0 points 1 month ago

Oil is the main one…….

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We're currently getting mandated return to office, effective in the next few days

[–] eureka@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago

Exactly. " "Work from home is a viable option for many, many people, and they'll make that call," he told ABC News on Monday. ", oh it's certainly viable but we're being forced in anyway.

[–] baseball2020@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

The property council publicly celebrated their influence over the nsw premier when he mandated RTO for public service. I maintain that we are gonna keep commuting until it runs dry because certainly commercial property investors and transurban can not withstand any reduction in profits.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

already seeing the articles going "BuT I caN'T wOrK fRoM HoMe MuH JAWB" (tradies, etc)

Guess that advice isn't for you then, buddy. Fuck me, do you assume everything you read on the internet is about you?

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably the same ones who bought a stupidly oversized and heavy vehicle and now complain about fuel prices.

[–] king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Average ford ranger driver